Ridiculously Early Mock Draft
It’s the early offseason. Very few free agents have signed, and no trades have been completed. The GMs are in Milwaukee without internet and with wintry mix. The winter meetings are still a week or two away. Perfect time for a mock draft, or at least so thought Derek Van Riper at RotoWire. So he got us all together for a 15-team 30-round NFBC-style colossus of a mock draft last week — here are the results for your own perusal.
There are a million ways to break down a draft, so if you want more on this, let me know. to keep it simple at first, let’s just highlight some picks that seemed like the steals and reaches of the draft.
Early Steal: Hanley Ramirez, 2.1 (16 overall)
Early Reach: Matt Holliday, 2.11 (26 overall)
It’s hard to pick reaches and steals in the first two rounds — most of the guys picked in those rounds are pretty good. And these two guys are pretty good. But this pair is worth pointing out because one’s value will outstrip the other and they don’t seem to belong in the same round. Say what you will about Bill James projections, but Ramirez is projected for a .298 average and 21 home runs and 28 steals. That seems reasonable, considering that if you pro-rate out his poor 2011 he still would have managed 16 home runs and 32 stolen bases. His .275 BABIP was fifty points worse than his previous worst BABIP. He can hit that projection. Matt Holliday is projected for a .307 average, 27 home runs, and seven stolen bases… in 630 plate appearances. Will the 32-year-old get to the plate that often? Will his rapidly-declining wheels produce even that many steals? A more conservative projection would have him hitting .300 with 25 home runs and fewer than five steals… in the outfield. Put it another way: once the second round was done, Mike Stanton and Carl Crawford were the next outfield picks. At shortstop, Starlin Castro and Elvis Andrus, both very flawed players from a fantasy standpoint, were both picked in the next round.
Early-Mid-Round Steal: Brett Lawrie (5.7) (67 overall)
Early-Mid-Round Reach: B.J. Upton (4.13) (58 overall)
B.J. Upton is not a bad real-life player. His defense in centerfield and his above-average walk rate add real value and make him an above-average guy. But neither of those aspects show up in the fantasy game. Yeah, he had a nice September (.333/.432/.606), but that’s just one month. His second half was pretty much exactly like his first, which was pretty much exactly like the rest of his career. Upton strikes out in a quarter of his at-bats and that won’t allow him to push his batting average past his career .251 without extreme BABIP luck. Yeah, the power and speed is nice, but unless he hits 30 home runs next year, his batting average will keep his upside right where he was picked. Speaking of upside, nine picks later went a third baseman that is projected to hit .284 with 22 home runs and 30 stolen bases, and has the upside to far outstrip that power number. Given how terrible third base was last year, that’s the guy I want here. Even if ZiPs is less excited about Lawrie. The Jays third baseman strikes out less than the average player, has great power, and above-average wheels. He’ll hit for a decent average. And plays on the infield (sensing a theme?).
Late-Mid-Round Steal: Lucas Duda 16.9 (231 overall)
Late-Mid-Round Reach: Carlos Lee 13.12 (192 overall)
Both of these guys are decent enough reasons to wait on outfielders, but one is surely better than the other. Lee is projected for a .274 average and 21 home runs by Bill James, and Duda only a .279 average and 14 home runs, but there are reasons to be suspect of both projections. For one, James projects the 35-year-old roly-poly outfielder to arrest a four-year decline in power for reasons unclear. Lee has seen his ISO drop from a career peak .255 in 2008 to .171 last year, which is barely above average. He’s been slowly hitting more fly balls, but his HR/FB is dropping steadily, and the fly balls are just having the effect of tanking his batting average. Now, Duda’s power is sort of a question, as it’s more readily seen in batting practice, but James has him out-ISO-ing Lee .209 to .181. So why only 14 home runs? Because he inexplicably projects the Mets’ starting right fielder for a mere 370 PAs in 2012. Give him a full slate and he should comfortably out-homer the Astro. And, even if you don’t love Duda, here a few other outfield sluggers that went after Lee: Josh Willingham (14.6, 201), Torii Hunter (13.13, 208), Jason Kubel (17.6, 246), Jason Bay (17.9, 249), and my Brennan Boesch (19.15, 285) or even my Josh Reddick (28.1, 406). Probably shoulda waited.
Late Round Steal: Greg Holland (29.12, 447)
Late Round Reach: Henry Rodriguez (26.5, 380)
It’s actually hard to pick a reach in the final rounds. How can you reach on the 400th player picked? Here’s the thing, though, it’s worth highlighting some of the reliever picks at the end of the draft because it’s worth actually getting those right. Henry Rodriguez has one thing — gas — and nothing else. He’s projected to walk close to six batters per nine, and that fits in with his career rate (5.55 BB/9). It’s not likely that the Nationals lose Drew Storen, and Tyler Clippard, and then turn to the guy with a 1.5 WHIP to close out games. But, hey, it’s like the final rounds, so it’s really not a big deal. Greg Holland, on the other hand, has struck out more than 11 per nine, walked around three per nine, and generally dominated for 78+ innings. He might — might — be a better pitcher than the current closer in Kansas City. That’s a good way to get in front of a bullpen change.
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Carlos Santana in the 2nd round? That’s clearly the reach of the draft.
What are you smoking?? Santana is the best catcher going into next year (at least he is in my book). I think it was A LITTLE high but it’s not even close to being the reach of the draft. I’d say he’s a top 35-45 player but I see nothing wrong with someone taking him in the late 2nd. I have him in my keeper league and I’m going to keep Santana over Nelly Cruz, Holliday, Crawford and Ian Kennedy. Santana is a GRADE-A STUD. Recognize fool.
i was really looking forward to owning him next year…but not in the 25-35 range…
I really dislike the SXM Fantasy Sports Radio – Trevor Ray team.
That one, and the fantasybaseballbuzz ones are pretty terrible IMO.
Those Lawrie projections seem comical to me, and I own him in a keeper.
I think the projection is reasonable (.284/.337/.495, 22 HRs) outside of 30 SBs, which seems optimistic.
Yeah I’d push the power and drop the speed. In Toronto, with that coaching staff… I think he can show a little better home run power. 30 steals seems like a stretch.
Lawrie could easily go 25/25. This kid is something really really special. What he did this year, he did at the bottom 3rd of the order. Say he moves up to 3rd in the lineup in front of Bautista??? This upside of Brett Lawrie is ridiculous. This kid is an absolute specimen and could be a top 15-20 player as soon as next year. If u don’t think this kid is a rare talent, u should get your vision checked.
I really need to start doing keeper leagues so I could have Mike Morse for a dollar again this year instead of a ~5th round pick
Do you think I reached? It’s a 15-teamer, so that’s around #75.
without doing a ton of draft planning, I’d say no. I think Morse is legit, so if you drafted him as a 25-30 homer, .290 hitter I don’t think it is. It’s more just a comment that I hate not getting years and years of below-market value production from my sleeper picks haha, like taking CarGo in the 10th last year or Ubaldo in round 20 2 years ago
Were picks made assuming redraft format (vs keeper)? And standard 5×5 categories or some other format? Just curious – thanks.
redraft.
Either Derek’s really cocky or he forgot that NFBC includes a CI position. Unless I’m missing something he has Belt and 1B and Longoria at 3B and no other players eligible at corner infield.
It’s a good point. Good team, but thin there. I wonder if he thinks Sands would gain 1B eligibility, but we did talk about Belt and he does think he’ll play everyday. I think so too, given the money the team has to spend.
Perhaps, but it takes 20 games at a position to gain eligibility in NFBC. Gotta just be an oversight. I can’t imagine someone would punt 3 weeks worth of games in order to keep Lance Lynn or Steve Cishek on their roster.
Eno – why Weaver over Greinke, Price, Strasburg or even Lester?
Really good question. I think I was hoping Greinke would return to me. Stras will be great, but 160 IP cap right. Lester and Price… yeah, dunno. I like Weaver’s home park. But Price.. yeah, dunno really! I think that was a poorly thought out pick.
Eno, that’s a weird response! I actually wouldn’t question the pick and figured you had reason behind it. Price had shaky moments on a rough team, so wins will be sketchy; Lester and the Sox seem like a bit of a train wreck; like the Strasberg comment and wins will also be a problem; and Greinke isn’t a shadow of his AL Cy Young self and on a team that will be without Fielder.
Unless you think Weaver and his fairly consistent and improving results since his rookie season are a fluke, that is very defendable.
First round David Wright?
yeah that’s a reach
I’m PRAYING Tulo falls to 7th overall next year. Wow.
do you think Bard ends up closing in Boston? he’s a pretty solid value if he does.
added bonus of drafting duda is you can name your team “The Duda Abides.”
Why not “The Duda Bides”?
Eno,
I am surprised with the choice of Hanley in the 2nd round. Are you not worried about the regression in his power, as it has dropped n each of the last 3 years?
I think I would have taken guys like Prince, Pedroia, Cargo, Beltre, others before Hanley. Just a thought.
I hear you loud and clear Ray, but as I said in the ‘graph on him, I think he can manage 20+, 25+ even in a reduced state. With his steals, and good batting average… I think my first basemen will be fine. I think shortstops are disgustingly bad early on. Didn’t want to have to reach for Sexei, love loved having my MI wrapped up in one nice bow.
Another way of asking: don’t like my team?
Reorganized:
C McCann
C Thole
1B Ike
2B Kinsler
SS Hanley
3B Headley
MI B Roberts
CI K Morales
OF Morse
OF Hart
OF Quentin
OF Boesch
OF Reddick
UT Jay
BN Morgan
BN Gamel
BN S Sizemore
BN Reimold
P Weaver
P D Hudson
P Pineda
P Sale
P Minor
P Hanrahan
P Santos
P Francisco
BN Broxton
BN Liriano
BN Bedard
BN Delgado
I was debating Pedroia, but took Kinsler. I was thinking CarGo versus Hanley, but position did it for me. Prince and Beltre weren’t really on my radar.
Will you guys be doing a ridiculously early keeper mock draft?
My money’s on Panda being a steal again, especially given how thin 3B is.
Felipe Paulino is listed twice — 20th rd as a SP & 28th rd as RP. The only Felipe Paulino I am aware of is KC SP.
Thks,
Maybe the 28th rounder was Ronny Paulino 🙂
What’s everyones thoughts in the event Hanley gets slotted to third pending a signing by Reyes with the Marlins?
I still think a .280+, 20+, 25+ season with the lineup improving around him makes him late-first, early-second worthy at shortstop. And he has more upside of course. So even if he steals less, plays third, hits lower in lineup, throws a hissy, at his age, he’s still going to be awesome.
Decent draft overall, but a few major weaknesses from my viewpoint.
Your 4th and 5th SP are very risky in Sale and Minor. In NFBC leagues, you really need your top 5 SP to carry the load, and I think there are too many question marks and innings concerns with these two. Picking up Liriano and Bedard may help to mitigate somewhat, but I would have preferred to see another solid, dependable 200 IP starter rather than Sale or Minor.
A glance at the offense, I think that the 5th OF and UTIL spots are a little weak. Brian Roberts is an abortion at middle infield, and can’t be counted on to play more than 15 games. It also looks to me like the average is a little light on the whole.
It almost looks, to me at least, like you mailed in the 2nd half of your draft. It’s understandable, as it’s merely an early-season mock and you likely have far more important things to worry about, but as you know these NFBC drafts are won in picks 16-30. I like what you did on a whole the first 15, but after that the only picks I liked are Morales and Boesch.
Wow, harsh! It’s a 15-teamer you know… That means we’re picking 75 of the starting 90 OFs out there… and 30 of the starting 30 MIs. There are going to be some bad MIs and fifth OFs…
Yeah, B Roberts is a problem. I see that. And 5th OF / Util, but that’s a problem for everyone. And I have like eight OFs, hoping two hit.
Maybe I liked Sale and Minor too much, that’s a good point.
oh and my 28th round pick (Reddick) was one of my loudest ‘nice picks’ in the draft room…
Yes, as an NFBC veteran myself, I’m fully aware that it’s a 15 team league.
I just don’t understand how you could bank on Brian Roberts, especially as early as the 16th round.
And Reddick is a guy I like, but with the RedSox in the market for another outfielder, I just have serious doubts that he gets full-time at-bats this year. And maybe I’m not as big of a believer in Riemold or Nasty Nyjer as you are.
As far as the SP goes, I can understand taking Sale or Minor, but I would’ve liked to see you compliment them with a more stable innings eater.
The Broxton pick I don’t understand at all, as he’s likely available 5 rounds later and you could have scored another solid OF option (Lorenzo Cain), or another SP to shore up the backend of your rotation (Scott Baker).
Don’t take the criticism as me bashing your team, as I think on the whole it’s solid. One of the better teams in the mock, I just don’t think that it has enough to compete for the big prize.
Yeah Cain v Broxton actually pissed me off. I saw that one happening in real time. Coulda waited and taken Cishek or whatever. Bah. That’s why you mock! Shoulda taken Roberts later, probably sentimentality there, and at least taken another MI instead of the two straight CIs at the end.
My NFBC team came in fourth in my league. It’s a tough setup and I hate the lack of trading.
just curious as to who you thought had a decent draft.
gardner’s draft looked strong up and down to me–a nice mix of power/speed and risk/reward.
btw, i noticed a common thread to all your OFers. 260-280 AVG. 20 HR pop. some, but not abundant, wheels. intentional or more a product of how the draft proceded?
I really like Jack Moore’s team if Ryan Howard isn’t out too long.
Yeah Jack Moore has Utley in the third and those three straight pitchers… a little worried about his CI and his relievers could really a problem. But drafting relievers is the hardest part of early drafts.
The RotoWire guys had good drafts… especially Nate
I think Gardner’s team has maybe the most upside of any if those guys work out. He yoinked a few people from me, and though I’m worried about some of his picks, it’s a balanced team and it could really work out for him. Otherwise I like DVR’s. Still like my team for making sense and having upside.
Eno, you cannot have trading in a high stakes professional fantasy baseball league. I would never play NFBC if there was trading… then drafting wouldn’t be about developing a team, it would just be picking the best players available regardless or position, then trading them… trading is for local leagues with your friends, and even then I don’t really like it. Takes away from the free agent acquisition/drafting process also
I hear you but I don’t. Maybe what I’m saying is that I like trading (especially in dynasty leagues) so much that I’d rather keep upping the stakes in a friendly rather than jump into something big where I can’t trade surplus to fill a need. (I do understand why a competition like the NFBC can’t have trading, of course.) I love drafting, I don’t even trade that often, it takes me forever to get a trade done, but trading is a part of the game and it’s great, too.
How in the world did Cargo fall to 22nd overall? That’s kind of ridiculous.