Reliever Strategy Musings
I really like using relievers in fantasy baseball, especially the elite kind. I might harp a bit on this subject. It’s hard to purchase more than one Craig Kimbrel or Aroldis Chapman because they often cost over $20. While I shouldn’t pay $100 to roster the top five closers, it’s usually justifiable to spend more than the minimum on your bullpen.
I often see commenters who support a pure LIRA approach (Low Investment Relief Ace). They cite reliever volatility. Supposedly*, this article proves the existence of reliever volatility. According to the argument, if reliever performance is more volatile than other positions, then I should minimize my investment in them.
*My Insider subscription has crapped out. If anyone has some free to read math, link it in the comments.
Volatility can work in two directions, except I think it’s safe to posit that a guy like Kimbrel doesn’t really have any room to improve. So volatility is all about downside with the very best relievers. A guy like Sean Doolittle or Francisco Rodriguez would make a better poster child for positive volatility.
Succeeding with a LIRA approach comes down to selecting a Wade Davis or Dellin Betances before your rivals wise up. To do so requires a leap of faith to believe an excellent five or 10 inning sample is indicative of a breakout. Even with visual scouting, there are too many ways to boff the analysis. The sample is just too small. In other words, going cheap on relievers is risky business.
The impetus for this post is a comment by Lucky Strikes in last week’s Fantasy Puzzle. I’ve linked to the comment itself since it’s a bit long to quote. Sir Strikes does some math to show that a $10 keeper Greg Holland is probably a better investment than a $1 lottery ticket reliever and $9 more on a hitter. We were talking specifically about an ottoneu points format, but the reasoning stands for other leagues too, just with slightly messier math.
I’m not too concerned about the math. We can discuss numbers in the comments, but I’m more concerned with the fatal flaw in the LIRA approach: identifying the right relief aces. It’s easy to say that a fantasy owner could have just bought Betances, Davis, Doolittle, and Rodriguez for $4 or even picked them up off waivers. Most of the time though, you’ll mistakenly discard a Betances because his walk rate was kind of high (that’s why I let him go in April: 4.73 BB/9).
For this thought exercise, I resurrected my preseason target list for cheap relievers. Included on the list were Joaquin Benoit, Cody Allen, and Jake McGee. Also included were Will Smith, Blake Parker, Nate Jones, Luke Hochevar, and Sergio Santos. I acquired more players from that second group in my drafts. In many cases, I successfully divested to Doolittle, Jenrry Mejia, Brad Boxberger, Andrew Miller, or another good reliever. En route to settling on those names, I handled shares of Nick Vincent, Brett Cecil, Casey Fien, and Aaron Barrett. Those four had solid seasons, just not when I owned them.
Meanwhile, my preseason top five for relievers contained Kimbrel, Chapman, Kenley Jansen, Trevor Rosenthal, and Greg Holland. I learned a lesson with Rosenthal, but the others were established elites and continued to pitch as such. Someday they’ll fade from their pedestal due to decline or injury, but for now they’re the most reliable relievers in fantasyland. A selection of Kimbrel is costly, but it’s a roster spot that doesn’t need to cycle from Santos to Smith to Cecil to Barrett before finally arriving on Miller in late June. That composite pitcher is roughly league average even though the longest tenured name was fantastic.
Jeff Sullivan recently wrote about how the Orioles managed their downside to arrive in the postseason. Fantasy owners also need to concern themselves with downside. A Kimbrel could end up a wasted $20 if his elbow pops (as could any pitcher), but if we assume health, his floor is very high. Your job as an owner is to maximize upside AND floor. Regardless of volatility, elite relievers can help in that task.
None of this is to say that you should spend on top relievers or shouldn’t commit to low cost hurlers. Each strategy has merits as does the combination approach that most owners take. I do think it’s important to recognize that a LIRA approach carries more risk and volatility than paying for a couple premium closers. Not only do you have to find useful cheap relievers, you also have to spend the remaining money wisely. Maybe you took the dollars saved on relievers and upgraded from Hunter Pence to Carlos Gonzalez (whoops).
Even if we ignore extreme examples, we still have to overcome the value lost by downgrading in the bullpen. Of course, if you give to the bullpen, you must take away from somewhere else. It’s all about finding that perfect work/life balance. There are a lot of moving parts in building a fantasy roster. I recommend that you don’t commit to only one strategy.
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Obviously it depends on your league settings. In a league with a decent sized bench I’d be more inclined to grab 2-3 set up men for a few bucks and maybe a low end closer (think LaTroy Hawkins this year). If it works out I’ll compete in Saves for a low price. If it doesn’t work out I can punt saves whenever I need to make that call.
Closers go for big $$ in the draft and FAAB – but rarely bring big returns in trade (at least in my league).
Yep, it all depends on who appears in the 9th innings of close games their teams are winning. Otherwise, there’s no way to justify paying for a Kimbrel over two dozen other guys like a Melancon.
Just offering my two cents on the counterpoint…
Even the best relievers in FGPoints and SABRPoints leagues tend to produce 650 to 700 points. I know you can hope for an outlier like Kimbrel in 2011, but even then he was worth fewer than 800 points. Elite closers will cost up to $20, but they really only provide an extra 100 to 150 points over relievers you could easily obtain for $1 to $3.
Meanwhile, the difference between an elite Shortstop or Catcher and a $1 SS or C can be many hundreds of points. It seems to me you would get more points per dollar by investing in positions where production is hardest to obtain.
I was able to field productive bullpens with cheap non-closers (at the time) like Zach Britton, Tony Watson, Dellin Betances, Cody Allen and Wade Davis. The money I saved allowed me to obtain Tulowitzki, Kershaw and others whom I would not have been able to afford had I sprung for elite closers.
Wade Davis was more valuable then Kimbrel in my OttoNey FG Points league, and Britton was very close. They cost me a total of $2.
The issue is identifying Wade Davis before he breaks out. For every guy who looks good and goes on to produce 600 points, there are several who end up around 400-500. So I think we should be calling 450 pts the replacement level. When you start factoring in pts/IP and other position replacement levels, the math starts to look good for an elite pen.
In practice, I tend to lean LIRA more than paying for closers. I do like to buy one elite guy if I can work out the budget, but that’s a year-to-year thing. If I have too many position player targets, I’ll skip the process. In one league, I’ve won spending $5 on my bullpen one year and $50 another year.
Matthew Berry always says “Don’t pay for saves.”
Fantasy owners are so trained to find bargains outside of elite players (elite closers are not elite players). It is difficult for them to pay full price for a closer whose best case scenario is essentially the price they paid for the guy. For example, most owners will pay full price for an Adam Jones, who has approximately the same upside\downside as an elite closer. Many of those same owners will balk at paying full price for Greg Holland.
LIRA is especially viable in roto leagues. If you pick the wrong relievers you will finish poorly in saves, but it is only one category and you can punt it during the season. If you choose the right relievers you will have a significant advantage over your opponents.
The other disadvantage of LIRA is that you will often have to use an extra roster sport for a reliever.
I personally prefer to use a combination strategy, taking what the draft\auction gives me.
When I’ve kept or drafted relievers earlier in drafts, I have a tendency to get burned. But using LIRA I identified Frieri while he was still in SD and got great production from him, and I kept getting him late in drafts. It also helped me identify Allen, Putnam, Shaw, and Oliver Perez this year. Each of those guys pitched at least 54 IP, none had an ERA higher than 2.91, only Allen got less than 15 HLDs (but his 24 saves made up for that), and only Perez had a WHIP higher than 1.09. I could have targetted relievers earlier, but would I really have been better off than I was getting Alcantara, Schoop, Corey Dickerson, Ozuna, and Corey Seager? Seager was a key piece in a trade that got me much needed 3B and OF help. It seems like if I ever get a hot RP that no one in my league will even consider making a trade. Unless you have a truly elite RP, they often times have no value on the trade market, but because I skipped out on RP’s early, and didn’t try to get an elite RP, I ended up three or four keeper worthy hitters in a league where I have enough keeper space to retain most of my team and shored up some weaknesses that had been lingering for a couple of seasons now.
As you mentioned your strategy is often determined by the league format as well as how other owners value closers.
Your situation describes the best case scenario. You are discounting that fact when you choose the wrong RPs and the possibility that you still could find hitter bargains in the later rounds. However, if you are especially skilled at finding bargain RP that is the way to go for you.
Any sound strategy will work if you are able to find diamonds in the rough. I could of grabbed two elite closers and grabbed Revere, Span, Gordon, etc. at the end of the draft.
One weird thing about relievers…nobody wants to trade much for them, but they also usually aren’t willing to sell them either.
In general, the more experienced and active the league the more it makes sense to roster elite RPs if you can. Because everyone here is already ‘in’ on Ken Giles, Boxberger, whoever closes for the cubs next year, etc. Davis, Betances, etc were long gone in most of my leagues in April.
Agreed. Everybody you named was long gone in my league, too, except for Rondon who was overlooked. Nobody expected the Cubs to need a closer, so I picked him up cheap.
Even Quackenbush is on a roster.
Definitely depends on your format. Ours is a keeper league with points similar (not identical) to Ottoneu.
While most of the others chased closers at full price, I went for setup guys: Melancon, Allen, Casilla, Clippard and replaced 2 RP’s a couple of times during the season. Soria and Ziegler were dropped and after a little turnover ended with Miller and Rondon.
Part of the rationale-Some MLB managers use “closers” in the 9th whether it’s a save situation or not. Others only use them when it’s a save situation. The setup guys sometimes get more innings depending on what team he’s on. Some will get into games when the team is behind by a run in the 8th depending on the manager. Outs and K’s count.
Ended with the season with the most RP points with a pen that cost $12. This freed up money for Stanton, Miggy, Sale, etc. salaries.
Obviously this wouldn’t work in a saves only league. This group finished 5th in saves, but 1st in holds by a large margin. Finished 1st overall if it were solds league.
Agreed that you have to play the draft. Brad and I loaded up on CL last year since no one seemed to care about them. This year, guys out of it wouldn’t trade me a closer they’d have to pay $15 to keep next year (and they weren’t elite) because the draft valuation totally flipped, so you have to adjust. In general, I go middle ground (next year I might keep Storen, Rondon and Benoit for $8-11 but also then look for the best setup guys to handcuff with (even it means paying $3 for a non-closing reliever, Neshek being a guy for Benoit as an example). If I have three in hand, I’ll look to get another one or two for up to $12 each (which means no Kimbrel-type sure things), but that is all because we have a deep bench and I am more than happy to have a ton of cheap RP to hold down ratios, vulture wins, and possibly produce saves.
But punting, as a few have suggested, is something I just don’t get. If you get a single point in one of 10 categories, you have to not only be insanely good at filling out your starters and covering all bases on hitter categories to even hope to get 100+ points (generally the bare-minimum to win in a 12-team 5×5) to win, you also have to get way lucky, or play against bad managers. You just CAN’T punt any category in a competitive league. Or, I am sure it has happened, but I’ve never seen it.
Well “punting” doesn’t have to be at start of year. I traded both my closers around Aug 1 in a very competitive league, because I had more upside elsewhere. I ended up with 4 points in saves out of possible 16. I ended up winning the league – which is quite competitive.
I would argue that in a really competitive (and deep) league punting makes more sense. The margin between the best team and the middle of the pack can be rather thin. When there’s nothing at all available on FA you need to be in a position to keep options open. Punting is a good mid to late season option depending on standings.
So you dont invest too much in closers at draft but you get good set up men behind weak closers. If things break your way, great. If they don’t you can adjust on the fly and not be stuck with a $20 closer that can’t bring back an Alex Gordon type hitter in a trade.
For punting to work, none of your competition can have a good offense AND a good defense. In a 12 team 5×5, you have to have a chance to win with 90 points if you want to explore punting. The league Will is referencing has never had a first place team finish with fewer than 100 points. Often, the second place team also has 100 points. Part of that is related to it being a keeper league, so a few top teams swap keepers for win-now talent every year.
All about league type/settings. In a 16 team redraft with long benches it can make good sense.
I am a proponent of LIRA in theory… in reality it has been awful for me. I’m not sure if this is just bad luck or bad scouting 🙂
I’m in Brad’s league and finished 4th in 2013 and 6th in 2014, despite selling everything I could in July when I knew I couldn’t compete. Both years, the difference in points between me and first place in July was basically bullpen points.
Both years I spent about $22-25 on six-seven relievers fairly evenly dispersed to start the season. My best relievers were ones I ended up picking up as free agents for a dollar.
SSS of one person obviously, but the LIRA strategy has not worked out.