Reliever Rankings, Ignoring Saves and Holds

When playing typical fantasy baseball, the main thing that fantasy managers typically worry about regarding relievers is one thing: jobs.  If a reliever is a closer, he has value.  If not, they generally are considered to have very little value except in very deep leagues.

In FanGraphs Points leagues, however, a reliever’s job means a bit less, because saves (worth 5 points apiece) are worth only marginally more than a hold (4 points).  With that in mind, I think it’s interesting to take a look at reliever rankings without worrying about jobs.  In a sense, what we’re talking about are “true talent” projections for relievers, but still including things like park factors that do matter for fantasy comparisons.  If you have an estimate of a pitcher’s true talent, you may be able to find that cheap bargain pitcher who will outperform bad relievers with jobs.  And in all likelihood, the best pitchers would be expected to be among the first to take on the closer role once it becomes available.

So, here are reliever rankings, based on averaged, up to date, rest of season projections for ZiPS and THT’s Oliver.  Because I play in FanGraphs Points leagues (and similar lwts-style leagues), I’m going to rank the players based on FIP, since that is the core of that scoring system.  Here are the top-30:

# Name Team zFIP oFIP avgFIP Closer?
1 Kuo, Hong-Chih LAN 2.72 2.80 2.76
2 Bell, Heath SDN 2.81 3.00 2.91 YES
3 Thornton, Matt CHA 3.04 2.94 2.99
4 Marmol, Carlos CHN 2.96 3.07 3.02 YES
5 Wilson, Brian SFN 2.93 3.11 3.02 YES
6 Soria, Joakim KCA 2.89 3.23 3.06 YES
7 Adams, Mike SDN 2.93 3.24 3.08
8 Broxton, Jonathan LAN 3.05 3.14 3.09 YES
9 Rivera, Mariano NYA 3.27 2.93 3.10 YES
10 Romo, Sergio SFN 3.11 3.09 3.10
11 Hanrahan, Joel PIT 3.07 3.21 3.14 YES
12 Papelbon, Jonathan BOS 3.00 3.29 3.15 YES
13 Madson, Ryan PHI 3.05 3.27 3.16 YES
14 Gregerson, Luke SDN 3.09 3.39 3.24
15 Balfour, Grant OAK 3.16 3.45 3.31
16 Marshall, Sean CHN 3.20 3.44 3.32
17 Putz, J.J. ARI 3.12 3.53 3.32 YES
18 Feliz, Neftali TEX 3.23 3.45 3.34
19 Robertson, David NYA 3.30 3.39 3.34
20 Betancourt, Rafael COL 3.49 3.34 3.42
21 Soriano, Rafael NYA 3.51 3.35 3.43
22 Jenks, Bobby BOS 3.39 3.50 3.44
23 Street, Huston COL 3.42 3.48 3.45 YES
24 Benoit, Joaquin DET 3.33 3.62 3.48
25 Francisco, Frank TOR 3.22 3.73 3.48
26 Rodriguez, Francisco NYN 3.28 3.69 3.48 YES
27 Nathan, Joe MIN 3.43 3.56 3.49
28 Qualls, Chad SDN 3.45 3.59 3.52
29 Belisle, Matt COL 3.67 3.39 3.53
30 Bray, Bill CIN 3.53 3.57 3.55
31 Farnsworth, Kyle TBA 3.50 3.61 3.56 YES

Of the top 31, 13 are currently closers.  And another 7 or 8 have been in that role in the recent past (including some who have already lost the job this year!).  Clearly, most teams do put their top (or one of their top) relievers into the role of closer.  That’s not surprising.  But even so, I think there are a lot of surprises on this list.  For example, how many would have guessed that Hong-Chih Kuo would have the best FIP projection…by a considerable margin, no less?  And while park factors do come into play, San Diego’s bullpen is just beyond stacked with top-tier talent.  Also, you can see why I was pretty confident in Joel Hanrahan when he was given the closer job this spring (and before he had a terrific April…although, what’s going on with his strikeout rate this year?).

I wouldn’t recommend using this as the only determination of how you draft relievers, even in leagues like ottoneu (I sort of tried that this year, and I’m getting killed).  The typical closer will still get more save opportunities than setup guys will get hold opportunities, for example, and saves still count for more.  But this is a good reference to use when going after non-closers, whether you are prospecting for saves or just going after reliable setup men.

What about the rankings of true closers?  Here are the current (and I mean current, so Neftali Feliz is replaced by Darren Oliver) closers for MLB teams:

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# Name Team zFIP oFIP avgFIP Closer?
1 Bell, Heath SDN 2.81 3.00 2.91 YES
2 Marmol, Carlos CHN 2.96 3.07 3.02 YES
3 Wilson, Brian SFN 2.93 3.11 3.02 YES
4 Soria, Joakim KCA 2.89 3.23 3.06 YES
5 Broxton, Jonathan LAN 3.05 3.14 3.09 YES
6 Rivera, Mariano NYA 3.27 2.93 3.10 YES
7 Hanrahan, Joel PIT 3.07 3.21 3.14 YES
8 Papelbon, Jonathan BOS 3.00 3.29 3.15 YES
9 Madson, Ryan PHI 3.05 3.27 3.16 YES
10 Putz, J.J. ARI 3.12 3.53 3.32 YES
11 Street, Huston COL 3.42 3.48 3.45 YES
12 Rodriguez, Francisco NYN 3.28 3.69 3.48 YES
13 Farnsworth, Kyle TBA 3.50 3.61 3.56 YES
14 Oliver, Darren TEX 3.69 3.50 3.59 YES
15 Fuentes, Brian OAK 3.38 3.90 3.64 YES
16 League, Brandon SEA 3.61 3.71 3.66 YES
17 Valverde, Jose DET 3.65 3.73 3.69 YES
18 Perez, Chris CLE 3.63 3.89 3.76 YES
19 Santos, Sergio CHA 3.43 4.10 3.77 YES
20 Lyon, Brandon HOU 3.86 3.83 3.85 YES
21 Axford, John MIL 3.64 4.11 3.87 YES
22 Kimbrel, Craig ATL 3.62 4.14 3.88 YES
23 Capps, Matt MIN 3.86 3.91 3.88 YES
24 Nunez, Leo FLO 3.68 4.12 3.90 YES
25 Storen, Drew WAS 3.50 4.31 3.90 YES
26 Cordero, Francisco CIN 4.04 3.86 3.95 YES
27 Rauch, Jon TOR 4.03 3.94 3.98 YES
28 Gregg, Kevin BAL 4.11 4.24 4.18 YES
29 Boggs, Mitchell STL 3.94 4.51 4.22 YES
30 Walden, Jordan ANA 4.16 4.55 4.36 YES

Not surprisingly, the bottom of the barrel is where you get the most movement and the least amount of job security.  Mitchell Boggs has been getting a lot of press as he assumed the job this year, for example, but I wonder whether he’ll keep it for the rest of the year given his weak projection.  Oliver and ZiPS do think he was a small upgrade over Ryan Franklin (4.36 projected FIP), though Jason Motte may be the best pitcher of the group (3.62 projected FIP).  Also, while the typically awesome Matt Thornton arguably should have gotten a longer audition for the job, Sergio Santos doesn’t look like a half-bad choice for the White Sox gig; he’s right there with Chris Perez in the rankings.





Justin is a lifelong Reds fan, and first played fantasy baseball on Prodigy with a 2400 baud modem. His favorite Excel function is the vlookup(). You can find him on twitter @jinazreds, even though he no longer lives in AZ.

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teddy ballgame
15 years ago

Ignoring saves and holds? That’s like ranking girls and ignoring looks and manual dexterity. This is a roto article, captain!

MB
15 years ago
Reply to  teddy ballgame

Assuming you’re in a league with ERA and WHIP (and even K), it’s more like ranking girls and ignoring their face and chest.

Resolution
15 years ago
Reply to  MB

Maybe he’s an ass man

Cosmo K.
15 years ago
Reply to  MB

But I like being the ass man!

Matt K
15 years ago

surprised that joe nathan ranks far ahead of matt capps.

B N
15 years ago
Reply to  Justin Merry

We should probably tell those scoring systems that information. They’re never going to win any leagues with that sort of abject ignorance. 😉

Big JgkeMember since 2020
15 years ago

Wow, why in the world would you have holds and saves valued so similarly? I agree that saves are overvalued, but at least you can’t get one while being charged with a loss as well. Holds are, in my opinion, the silliest stat in the game.

Big JgkeMember since 2020
15 years ago
Reply to  Justin Merry

I agree that the shutdowns/meltdowns metric might be better. I just hate holds, I feel like they are a stat, like Quality Starts, that has been created to shoehorn value onto players in the modern game (of overused bullpens and hard pitch-count starters) that don’t really deserve it. Like I said before, any ‘positive’ stat you can accrue while blowing a win for your team should not be a fantasy category.

Rob
15 years ago
Reply to  Justin Merry

Using holds is a way to take some of the value away from closers in fantasy baseball. In a NL or AL only league, there are only 16 or 14 closers at a given time. In a 10 team league that leaves only 1.6 or 1.4 closers per team, which puts those players at quite the premium (either way overpriced in auction or way overdrafted in snake drafts). Holds are harder to predict and amass for the most part, so it also tends to make for a more exciting waiver wire as well.

As for quality starts, I also agree it’s a better stat than wins. Too many times I’ve watched my pitchers (Dan Haren this week…) pitch one hell of game and not get any credit for it in the win column. If you use a stat QS + Ws you create a way to both reward a starter for a good outing and the win. You get a higher point total, but at least you get something for a great game by your starter.

Just something to chew on.

Mr. Thell
15 years ago
Reply to  Justin Merry

I completely agree with Justin and Rob here. I love Holds as a fantasy category. It opens up the player pool to a whole new, talented, valuable class of pitchers who may otherwise go completely ignored in a mixed fantasy league. The Hold isn’t a perfect stat, but I don’t think it’s particularly more flawed than the Save. Projecting Holds takes skill, and it also shifts the emphasis on fantasy bullpens to projecting and going after quality performance rather than chasing jobs and the whims of mercurial managers.

The roto league I run has Holds and Quality Starts in addition to the standard Ws, SVs, Ks, ERA and WHIP. To balance it out on the other side of the ledger the offensive categories are Runs, RBIs, HRs, Steals, Hits, OBP and SLG (and not AVG). We’ve been doing it for a couple years now and been very pleased with the balance between power and non-power hitters, relievers and starters and chasing actual quality performance with traditional fantasy stats.

Say Hey Kid
15 years ago

I’ve been looking for a list like this FG. Thanks! I am in an 11×11 roto ESPN league that limits starts to 154. This league counts inning pitched, saves and appearances but not holds. There are 6 pitching spots, 2 SPs, 2 RPs, and 2 P spots. Basically warm bodies are needed to fill these spots regardless of saves and holds. You can significantly pad your K, IP and appearance stats by keeping all your pitching spots filled everyday. Finding stud relief pitchers with SP/RP eligibility are rare gems. Last year relief pitchers like Luke Gregerson and Clay Hensley were invaluable.

Please continue to breakdown relief pitching this way for those in a similar predicament.

ESPN League:
http://games.espn.go.com/flb/leagueoffice?leagueId=112293

my team is “I Hate My Team”

Say Hey Kid
15 years ago
Reply to  Justin Merry

yes, please do

Dennis
15 years ago

You are missing Frieri from the Padres. He has been pitching out of his mind (both this year and last year) and his stat page here on fangraphs shows some pretty awesome numbers. The Padres pen is Bell, Adams, Gregerson, Frieri, etc… in terms of top-down.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5178&position=P

Although it isn’t clear to me where your numbers came from for the above charts.

Dennis
15 years ago
Reply to  Justin Merry

OK, thanks for the information.

But yeah, the past two years he has been used in the majors as a pure reliever in the tradition of Bell, Adams, and Gregerson (and others before them). I think a lot of fans, including me, see him as the next one to slot into our 7-8-9 once Bell is traded away.

Melkman
15 years ago

Frieri is nasty. Q from the uninformed, does Walden’s presence at the bottom of the list spell impending doom, or am I … well… wrong.. lol?

-C
15 years ago

Whar es Jonny Venters?? I guess the projections must hate him, but I’ve no clue why. Already a solid season of 2.69 FIP under his belt, lower than the lowest zFIP amount, and he’s dominating again this year. But no love from either projection system…

Perhaps this is why ottoneu isn’t going so well for you.

-C

Ian
15 years ago

I would have to think that Chapman ranks pretty high on any non-closer reliever list. High K’s, low WHIP, low ERA.

Ed Nelson
15 years ago

projections for relievers have, and always will be, of doubious value so I wouldn’t sweat Venters. Kimbrel has 6 saves, is striking out 12 per 9, has an ERA of .87 and is listed 22 on the closer list. Now it’s only a month but with a K rate like that he should be higher.

Slevin Kelevra
15 years ago

LOL @Broxton 8th

LV Red Sox
15 years ago

Broxton ranked #8? Not in 2011. Not with a 91-93 fastball that has no movement.