Redrafting Potential Keepers

Earlier in the month, I spent a week focused on your keeper dilemmas. One of the most popular formats is the Keep X league (if you recall your algebra lessons, X equals some number). There’s usually a cost associated with keepers. In a keep five league, either you lose your first five picks in the draft, or your keepers have an unique value assigned to them.

Both scenarios can leave you with head scratching trade offs. It’s common for two or more players to be on the keeper bubble. Based on current information, there could be more than one “correct” pick for your final keeper. This is when owners usually talk about which player they can reacquire in the draft.

There’s nothing automatically wrong about re-drafting a player you cut – even at a premium. Once you’re in the draft, value is value and numbers are numbers. You build the best roster you can with the resources available. Your past decisions are no longer relevant. That said, planning to re-draft a player can be a subtly dangerous strategy.

Let’s create a scenario. You’ve whittled your options down to Gerrit Cole in the ninth round or Carlos Martinez in the 15th. Based on what I’ve seen Cole is a fourth rounder (five round surplus) and CMart is a seventh rounder (eight round surplus). Let’s say it’s a keep four league (i.e. a fourth round quality player will usually go in the first round).

When you do the math on their actual cost, the opportunity cost of keeping one or the other, and their expected production, you’ll find that they come out valued very similarly. It’s tempting to ask yourself – which of these players can I most easily re-draft?

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The potential pit fall is your focus on a specific player rather than an asset class or team needs. If you plan to take Martinez in the third round of your keeper draft, you probably will. That could cause you to ignore other values on the board – perhaps Anthony Rendon would be a better fit for your roster and league.

Instead of dealing with tunnel vision, you should view players as an asset class. When you cut Martinez, it’s fine to say you need to roster another player like him. Maybe Marcus Stroman, Lance McCullers, or Jake Odorizzi would also fit your needs.

At some point in the draft, you’re going to be presented with a large bargain opportunity. By expanding your search to an asset class rather than a single player, you gain flexibility. If an unexpected bargain appears around when you wanted Martinez, you can shift gears knowing that Odorizzi will probably still be there for your next selection.

The “asset class” approach is a variation on the classic tier-based analysis. Call it an update. Instead of simply dividing a draft board by a rough measure of quality, evaluating players as assets is a little more stat and risk aware.

It should wash out to be roughly the same approach. If you find it easier to think in tiers, then just stick with using tiers. The point is that it’s rarely healthy to focus on one player. When it’s a player you were previously attached to, it can be doubly dangerous.

A Different Thing Entirely

I had my first mock draft of the season last week. I exclusively used my Top 300 list to select my team which revealed a few notable flaws in my rankings. Those will be adjusted.

What I’ve linked here are the results of the draft. My homework to you is to evaluate which players you believe I selected too early. Skip Francisco Lindor.





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Nate
10 years ago

Your selection of Puig and Wainwright back to back scream upside pick. I would prefer Grichuk over Puig and a few starters (Ross and Stroman to name two) over Wainwright. I do love seeing drafts so I can get a sense of where players are being drafted. Thanks.

McNulty
10 years ago
Reply to  Nate

actually, Grichuk/Stroman scream upside pick.

Nate
10 years ago
Reply to  McNulty

…but I love those upside guys : )

Bill
10 years ago
Reply to  Nate

My questionable picks would be Chris Davis at 26, Puig 62, Wainwright 82, Belt 110, David Wright, Verlander and the C’s at the end. not too bad. on the positive side, you did not draft Cliff Lee. Really?!?

rayguMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Nate

this is hilarious. Ross or Stroman over Wainwright? How is Wainwright an upside pick?

Nate
10 years ago
Reply to  raygu

I generally don’t rank a starting pitcher in my top 100 players over 32 years old. Wainwright himself does not k enough hitters for me. Plus I add in his injury last year. Why is he not an upside player?

LieutKaffeeMember since 2016
10 years ago

You drafted Dallas “Regression to the Mean” Keuchel over literally eight SP with top 5 upside: deGrom, Cole, Archer, Carrasco, Hernandez, Harvey, Syndergaard, and Strasburg.

I can only surmise you placed a very high premium on projected IP safety.

That’s not the answer to your homework assignment, though. Picking an SP (even though you chose differently than I) proved wise, given the ELEVEN that came off the board before your next pick.

I thought you got Lindor in a perfect spot. The foursome of Tulo, Seager, Bogarts, and Lindor feels very “take your pick” to me, with an enormous drop-off afterward, so I was shocked Lindor survived 10 picks after Bogarts was scooped up.

Although my own valuation/rankings process is in its infancy, no massive reaches on your part jump out at me. Your team clearly has insane RP, which I kinda like. It cost you at 2B and 3B, with mixed results: I think you’ll get something surprisingly competent between Travis and Phillips, but I think having Wright as your only 3B will be an utter disaster.

gbaked
10 years ago
Reply to  LieutKaffee

I was gonna say, not sure which pick specifically was too early, but missing out on a quality 3b was a huge whiff.

LieutKaffeeMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  LieutKaffee

Doubling up at 1B with EE and Crush Davis is the biggest head-scratcher for me, but I imagine you just really like Davis’s upside and thought it was too good to pass up? Given your lack of steals and your redundancy at 1B, I’d think about trading Davis for Marte.

stonepie
10 years ago
Reply to  LieutKaffee

davis should be OF eligible next season.

stonepie
10 years ago

ortiz/buck back to back in the 17/18th is great.. ortiz is always undervalued

LieutKaffeeMember since 2016
10 years ago

So far in almost every mock I’ve seen, something bizarre happens with the top SP, and the Kershaw owner ends up looking paradoxically brilliant and stupid at the same time.

On the one hand, it seems impossible to pass on Kershaw at the 1/2 turn, especially since you get to pair him right up with an elite hitter like Arenado/Machado/Bryant. So Kudos to Brian Dunshee.

But on the other hand, this dude could have had TWO elite hitters, say Betts AND Arenado, and still had Scherzer or Sale as his ace.

SP Kershaw
OF Gonzalez
3B Arenado

SP Scherzer
OF Betts
3B Arenado

I think that’s a clear win for the “don’t draft Kershaw” crowd.

CoolWinnebago
10 years ago
Reply to  LieutKaffee

Agree, pitching is so deep I cant really see the rationale in taking Kershaw in the first round.

LieutKaffeeMember since 2016
10 years ago

Josh Leonard has no 1B. Trade him Davis, Lindor, Keuchel for Seager, Fernandez, and Gomez (both teams’ Rd 3,4,5 picks).

He has every reason to say yes, as he effectively trades up significantly in rounds 3 and 5, and position-wise he trades from surplus (he took three OF in the first four rounds) to acquire the 1B he desperately needs.

Given the sentence I just wrote, it would be within your right to ask for a 4th piece to even out the trade on paper. But even with the 3-for-3 I proposed, I would do it from your end because Seager >> Lindor, Fernandez >> Keuchel, and Davis/Gomez might be a close call.

You could expand the trade to address your 3B problem, since he has two solid 3B-eligible players from the mid-high rounds in Carpenter and Rendon. Final trade:

Give: Davis, Lindor, Keuchel, Kimbrel, Wright

Get: Seager, Fernandez, Gomez, Carpenter, Giles

McNulty
10 years ago
Reply to  LieutKaffee

huh?

CC AFCMember since 2016
10 years ago

Wainwright far too early for me. I think he’s teetering on the edge of becoming just a solid innings eater rather than an ace. Like Lackey, who you got 7 rounds later.

MtnDrewski
10 years ago

Buchholz over Gio and Shields? Why?

Alex ChamberlainFanGraphs Staff
10 years ago
Reply to  MtnDrewski

I’m not Brad, but personally: Clay rocked a 2.68 FIP in 2015 prior to injuries. By far the best pitching in terms of peripherals of his entire career. Shields has some upside, Gio’s ceiling nowhere close.

CoolWinnebago
10 years ago
Reply to  MtnDrewski

I think thats the problem. You have no idea what Buchholz youre getting, and hes not young anymore. Ill take the reliability of shields.

CoolWinnebago
10 years ago
Reply to  CoolWinnebago

A world where he has 9 straight seasons of 200+ innings. Hes had ERAs and XFIPS under 4 for 5 straight years. Hes not an ace, but these are things I cant say about Clay.

David
10 years ago

Chris Davis. Although the drop-off after the run from 20-25 is heartbreaking.

Corey
10 years ago

I like how this was a whole article on keeper/draft strategy and every comment is on the mock draft that only had a passing relationship with the article.

TrailRunnerMember since 2020
10 years ago

Great article, it’s important perspective that doesn’t really get mentioned. I think most people agree that “locking in” on a draft plan is a bad idea, but this offshoot of that deserves special mention.

As for our draft, aside from all of you clearly playing for second place behind my team, I think you had a good one. I’ve been looking over it for our retrospective pieces and I don’t have any bones to pick with you (since you said to ignore Lindor at least =D haha). Maybe I’d have said given the climate of the room, you could have skipped taking your third closer in Allen in Rd 12 for someone else like one of the catchers to anchor the position.

TrailRunnerMember since 2020
10 years ago
Reply to  TrailRunner

I’ll be honest I thought I made my name here the nickname, forgot what actually shows up…it’s Nick, hola amigo.

stevenam
10 years ago
Reply to  TrailRunner

Nick, your first six picks were outrageous. In a keeper scenario, you’d have just drafted yourself a five year dynasty. Those three young bats have a good chance of being the three best hitters (non-Trout category) in baseball through the middle of the next decade.

TrailRunnerMember since 2020
10 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Haha oh I’m not saying he wasn’t just sitting there. The whole deal with RPs was so wonky, I just think that the guy you could have gotten on the next wrap around at RP would probably give you similar value (or be Allen himself still there) but then you’d have a catcher getting consistent PAs with a decent chance at being a Top 6-8 C instead of Navarro/Hundley/Ramos types. Like I said, I had to dig a bit to find something to pick at.

jbona3
10 years ago

A couple things jump out at me:
–As others have pointed out, taking Keuchel over the likes of deGrom, Archer, Cole, Felix, Gray seems questionable.
–Taking Belt over Billy Hamilton seems like a travesty to me. Yes, Hamilton is a drag on everything but SB, but he basically wins you SB compared to Belt who is…the epitome of average. I realize SB is a fungible category, but to get a difference maker/category winner in round 10 is a tremendous missed value IMO

rayguMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  jbona3

I disagree on both points. Keuchel won the AL Cy Young award, did he not? He has become a dominating SP.
Belt over Hamilton is a no brainer. If Hamilton wasn’t so good in CF, he would be a 4th OFer. Check Belt’s hard hit rates…he has a breakout season coming.

jbona3Member since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  raygu

Both your points are fair real life baseball points, but Keuchel is 29th in K/9, had the 10th highest HR/FB%. He ranks 12th in FIP, but trails Archer, Carrasco, Cole, and deGrom (among others). In Fantasy Baseball, those three pitchers are arguably more valuable than Keuchel.

For Belt, yes he’s been on the verge of a breakout for 2-3 years, but health has been a major issue. I see Hamilton as a category winner, but again as an IRL baseball player he’s tremendously flawed.

Atreyu Jones
10 years ago

Am I the only one who plays in a league in which you can simply keep a few players, and it’s not tied at all to the ensuing draft?

blue fountain
10 years ago
Reply to  Atreyu Jones

That’s my preference as well. I wonder if more of the experts like the formats with more detailed rules and tradeoffs, getting into the strategy of relative value between the player and the draft pick?

I consider myself a more casual player and prefer the simplicity of straight keeper/dynasty formats. To me, the fun of identifying – and committing to – a young Gerrit Cole when your leaguemates don’t value him that much is that he becomes a dominant Gerrit Cole that you keep on your team year after year despite your leaguemates asking for him. Otherwise, I’d rather just do a clean redraft.

Lorie E Pistone
10 years ago

No Buxton…? not even late in round 23…? can you explain…? thx

Edward Sutelan
10 years ago

I think we can all agree that I won the mock draft because I got my boy Raisel Iglesias 🙂

blue fountain
10 years ago

Ha, I didn’t read the snake right and thought you took Encarnacion 14th. I like your thinking overall, so for my two cents, the three earliest picks relative to my comfort are probably Keuchel, Wainwright, and the Kimbrel/Jansen combo. I think I’d rather end up with something like Cole/Beltre/Dickerson/Hosmer/Britton/Ventura than Keuchel/Puig/Wainwright/Jansen/Belt/Wright. Nitpicking really.

Grant
10 years ago

Tulo Rd2, and Marte in Rd3?!?!?

Right now we have keep 3 forever, no penalty. I’ve got Goldy on lock, I’m debating between Marte and Tulo.

Now this makes me even more confused.