Ottoneu Rebuild Strategy
Any keeper league that allows offseason trading will have its share of rebuilding teams. The guy who drafted Chris Davis, Joey Votto, and Cliff Lee will need time to recover from those dreadful picks. If the standard of excellence is high enough in your league, a perfectly adequate roster might still qualify for a touch of rebuilding.
In ottoneu, the 40 man roster, $400 budget, and offseason trading allow owners to pursue a wide range of rebuilding tactics. The instinct when rebuilding is to go young, however there is such a thing as too young. Some owners go all out on prospects. Two of the owners in FanGraphs Staff Two combine to own about 70 percent of the top 50 prospects. They can barely field a team, but they should have plenty of future talent.
The problem for these owners is that they punted 2014 and they’re both poised to punt 2015. When you get into the business of developing minor leaguers, you can get trapped in a perpetual rebuilding mode. To escape, you have to discover Mike Trout, Jose Fernandez, and Paul Goldschmidt all around the same time.
Meanwhile, prospects aren’t cheap in ottoneu. Kris Bryant costs over $20 in our league. He basically has to enter the league hitting like Hunter Pence to justify his future expense. Never mind the sunk costs which may never be recovered.
If it seems I’m not thrilled about a prospect oriented rebuild, you’d be right. Last offseason, I acquired and rebuilt the worst roster in our league. My targets were not prospects – I actually traded a few away. I targeted what I call major league prospects – guys like Corey Kluber, Christian Yelich, and Danny Salazar. Also on my acquisition list were a couple stars – Miguel Cabrera and David Wright. I did snag some prospects like Joc Pederson, Jorge Soler, and Marcus Stroman, but I generally flipped them to other owners.
The strategy of pursuing major league prospects has a couple benefits over the classic rebuild technique. My team was competitive last season because my “prospects” played in the majors. I ultimately finished fifth, and I have a strong unit heading into 2015. Having something to play for makes fantasy baseball a whole lot more fun. Guys who have already shown something in the majors also come with a lower bust rate. Sure, my fliers on Salazar and Josmil Pinto didn’t pay off, but Kluber and Yelich were great (and Salazar was dealt early for a cheap Hisashi Iwakuma).
Owners on the rebuild trail have to fight another instinct – the desire to build the cheapest possible payroll. If you’re the Astros of your ottoneu league, you have left value on the table. Even if you’re not buying my “avoid minor league prospects” thesis, you should supplement your cheap assets with expensive stars.
Every league has an owner swimming in high priced studs. That owner’s spreadsheet probably tells him to cut most of them. However, draft room inflation could mean that those stars are relative values at their current expensive price. You can usually acquire this talent with a minimal player investment. Then it’s a waiting game. Let their value peak and then sell them with a bundle of cash after the draft. By offsetting their price, you should multiply the return.
Here are a couple examples. When I originally acquired Cabrera ($59), I dealt Pederson ($2), Nolan Arenado ($11), and Carl Crawford ($9). Not only did I get Cabrera, I also received $8 Greg Holland and $3 Seth Smith. On July 9, I traded Cabrera, Smith ($1), and Jarrod Saltalamacchia ($5) for $23 Edwin Encarnacion and $4 Evan Gattis. I may eventually kick myself for trading Pederson and Arenado, but my team added three great building blocks in Encarnacion, Holland, and Gattis.
In the FanGraphs league, Scott Spratt inherited Bradey Woodrum’s last place club. It’s early yet, but his rebuilding process has netted him Clayton Kershaw ($61) and Cabrera ($61). He’s given up Stroman ($6), Pinto ($5), Oswaldo Arcia ($6), and Drew Smyly ($6). He could regret parting with cost effective players like Stroman and Arcia, but the return on a healthy Kershaw and Cabrera will help him to forget. Some of the best keepers in our league like a $5 George Springer could be in play.
Friends, the moral of today’s post is that rebuilding owners should do two things. First, target major league prospects, and downplay minor league prospects. Second, ensure your club possesses elite, salable talent. There is no better time than now to acquire some expensive studs.
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The obsession with prospects can often leave over the hill veterans available at great prices. Gamble another year on David Ortiz for $10? Don’t mind if I do. The chances that this is the year he declines rapidly probably are less than that an elite prospect for $10 performs at an Ortizian level. Torii Hunter? Tim Hudson? None are what they used to be but they probably are more valuable than what a prospect can give you.
The only downside to this is that sunset tour veterans tend to have very little trade value, while there is usually someone willing to gamble on Javy Baez for $12 in your league. It means you have to find those veterans each year and hope they still have some gas left i the tank.
I’m with Kris on that. I agree that avoiding too many prospects is a good thought. There are just too many of them out there. Our league has a couple rebuilding teams, too. I don’t see any serious trade value for all but their elite prospects who are close to the big leagues. I don’t see any reason to trade any major league value for the #40 prospect when I have the #50 prospect and the number #60 prospect is a readily available free agent. Too much volatility.
I suspect the rebuilding teams in my league will have to dump a number of the prospects they hoarded in order to field a team with any hope next year and I’ll scoop any I want then. Or they’ll keep all their prospects and stay non-competitive for a couple years, which doesn’t seem like much fun.
It is like anything else in life, you need to have balance.
Fantasy owners have become so obsessed with upside that minor league prospects overall have a negative expected value. They should be treated like lottery tickets. Spend a couple bucks, but don’t spend $100 a week.
So if you only save one spot for one long term prospect, do you go Sano for power, or Buxton?
Sano. Much of Buxton’s real worls value is based on his glove. He might not be an offensive force, and there are plenty of players who qualify as OFers who hit well enough. Sano looks like an offensive force who qualifies at 3B, and that is rare.
If you have a CF slot instead of OF slots, Buxton is the pick here. You’re underselling Buxton- every report I’ve read has described elite bat speed with a good feel for barreling the ball. He doesn’t have Sano’s power, but many still think he can be good for ~20 HR a year. In ottoneu it’s a pretty close call, but in category leagues it’s almost a no-brainer
I use prospects mainly to trade for mid season help. Owners who have grown frustrated with losing teams tend to not only sell their veteran players for prospects but they also tend to agree to give me loans to cover the expensive salaries of the players they are giving up.
The trick is finding prospects whom you can sign for a dollar or two, rather than prospects like Bryant, Sano or Gallo whom everybody already knows. It pays to watch a lot of minor league games and follow the low minors and get ahead of the curve.
Brad, didn’t you claim I was trying to devalue your trade offer when I suggested Chris Davis at $28 was not worth anything? I know he then got hurt, but when healthy, you think anyone is going to bid that for him (let alone you)? I honestly, honestly (should I repeat it a third time?) was not trying to mess with the other owners’ psyches… I was just astounded that anyone would think he was worth that. Maybe I think too much of our league mates, but I wasn’t playing any games. So what would you pay for him this year? Me personally, I won’t even price-protect, as I’m worried I’d end up with him…
I don’t believe in Ottoneu rebuilding because the game doesn’t force you to rebuild. Even if you finished dead last in every category, you can still cut everyone without penalty and build a team from scratch in the auction.
Major league teams can’t fire all their big leaguers and minor leaguers. That’s why they are forced to rebuild. We as Ottoneu managers are not obligated to keep any number of players or a set amount of salary from year to year. There’s no reason any Ottoneu owner should have back-to-back crappy seasons. Just blow it up and start again.
Here’s a thought exercise: What happens if you head into an auction with 40 open roster spots $400 to spend?
I think it’d be possible for such an owner to pinpoint and construct the perfect team of free agents. Even assuming 10% inflation on all auction assets, you would still be at an advantage because you’re building a team out of not just 40 players, but your pick of 100 to 150 players. With enough research, you could identify platoons, undervalued players or breakouts for that upcoming season and win ALL of them. In fact, that would be the easiest way to build a dynasty for 2-3 years…
The strategy isn’t for everyone as it bears considerable risk. The strategy would not work well if two teams in the same league attempted it. A conservative league and a weak player pool would hurt too. Still, if a manager has the brass to try it and puts in the time, I think he should be able to come away with an excellent team just by starting from scratch.
Just expanding upon the 40/$400 idea, what if you decided to go 30/$390 and reserved 10 spots for the best remaining $1 major league players available in the auction? You’d have an average of $13 to spend on 30 players. Or trim it down even further. 13 bats + 10 arms = 23 starters. Go 23/$377. $16 per player on average? You should be able to do some real damage with that kind of spending power. There’s also a good chance a few of those $1 players turn serious profit…
Instead of rebuilding through the minors with prospects, I say strip the roster down to the bare essentials and build through the auction.
This would be really hard. Youd have to really nail a huge percentage of your “sleepers”. A team with keepers already is basically a lock to get plus plavlue from many spot. Whereas if you draft your entire team youll absolutely need some 1$ players to explode and be woth 10$+
I think the value in having multiple low cost prospects is the financial flexibility to spend more money/ overpay for proven major league guys at the auction. Say you have a 5 dollar George Springer who is going to perform at a 20 dollar level, that affords for you to either go after a star player at the auction and overpay to get the guys you want. I agree that targeting all minor league guys at a rebuild is not the smartest strategy however having a few guys you really believe in is an important piece to building a sustained winner in any dynasty league. No matter how much those $1 auction guys outperform their values, the chance of a top prospect providing a more significant impact is greater and you need to get very lucky to hit on a few of those guys… and this is mostly about hitters, because pitching is strange and I think great value can be found in auction arms from year to year