Not All Whiffs are Created Equal

A few weeks ago, I took a deep dive on Luke Weaver, budding Cardinals No. 2 and Adam Wainwright torch-taker. I came out of it reluctant to invest in him at his hefty asking price: per National Fantasy Baseball Championship (NFBC) average draft position (ADP) data, 27th among starting pitchers and 105th overall. His lackluster swinging strike rate (SwStr%) indicated to me he could not sustain his lofty 28% strikeout rate (K%) when pitchers of similar SwStr% caliber had strikeout rates ranging from 18% at worst to 25% at best. The best, in that instance, was Aaron Nola. I doubted Weaver could compare so favorably, primarily because Nola steals strikes in a way few others can.

What I failed to do — what I should’ve done — is check. Duh! I should’ve checked how often Weaver earns called strikes. So I did, and I came away feeling even more scared than before. Turns out, I’m an idiot who botched some simple arithmetic: Weaver falls just outside the top quartile of pitchers in stealing strikes, as opposed to literally 3rd-worst like I claimed in the previously linked Tweet. That would’ve been really bad. Still, this miscalculation and subsequent mischaracterization of Weaver’s ability sent me on a quest of ultimately marginal value.

The more I looked at Weaver’s plate discipline peripherals, the more I realized Weaver doesn’t coerce many swings-and-misses out of the zone. He’s actually pretty bad at it. That means he generates most of his success in the zone, which, to me, seemed unusual. I was nervous that thriving by threading the needle — i.e., pounding the zone (assuming some semblance of command) and hoping for whiffs — might be a dangerous way to live, or that, at the very least, a young pitcher for whom the proverbial book on him isn’t out yet might be subject to regression in this particular area. The freshly FanGraphs-retired Eno Sarris thought thriving in the zone is better than thriving outside the zone:

Naturally, he was right.

Weaver makes up for ineffectiveness out of the zone with effectiveness in the zone. I sought to find a quick comp against whom I could compare Weaver’s unique plate discipline peripherals. This rabbit’s hole produced Tony Cingrani, who, with strong in-zone stuff, weak out-of-zone stuff, and a pedestrian whiff rate (9.9%, like Weaver’s 9.7%), could strike out 25% of hitters. It’s not quite Weaver’s 28%, but it suggests Weaver might not regress as much as I suspected. It also suggested to me not all whiffs are created equal, the conclusion to which I have already spoiled.

Using data from all qualified player-seasons by pitchers from the last 10 years (818 in all), I regressed against strikeout rate (1) whiff rate and, separately, (2) whiff rate as in-zone and out-of-zone components. Each produced nearly identical adjusted R2s (0.727 and 0.728, respectively) but, as expected, pretty different outcomes:

(1) xK% = 0.018 + 1.955*[SwStr%]
(2) xK% = 0.017 + 2.148*[Z-SwStr%] + 1.847*[O-SwStr%]

(The “Z-” and “O-” prefixes denote in-zone and out-of-zone. Edit: Shame on me for not being clearer about these calculations, which do not show up organically on the leaderboards. Please refer to this comment below. Also note that Z-SwStr% + O-SwStr% = SwStr%.)

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Using the estimated coefficients, we can conclude whiffs in the zone are a little more than 16% more valuable than whiffs out of the zone. This makes no assumption of or judgment about the sustainability of either path to success. However, assuming every pitcher owns his skills and that their outcomes are true representations of those skills, and holding all else constant, a pitcher who records a 10% Z-SwStr% and 0% O-SwStr% should notch a strikeout rate 3 percentage points higher than a pitcher who records a 0% Z-SwStr% and 10% O-SwStr%.

Ironically, I expected these results to really move the needle for me on Weaver. His SwStr% “ratio” leans much more heavily in favor of in-zone whiffs, after all. So I re-calculated his expected strikeout rates using each regression-based formula:

(1) 20.8%
(2) 21.2%

Uhhhhh. Well, here’s a pull-out quote from my previous post:

I see a more likely mediocre-case scenario in which Weaver produces something like a 21% strikeout rate

Maybe I wasn’t so far off after all.

It’s not a matter of nonlinearity, either. I tested a third regression that included quadratic (squared) terms of both Z-SwStr% and O-SwStr% to test nonlinearity; it produced a negligibly better 0.729 R2 and an expected strikeout rate of…

(3) 21.3%

Make of it what you will. Weaver is above-average at stealing strikes, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that his K% will clock in above 21%. And all this says nothing of exploring (using multiple regression or other strategies) how the many fragments of plate discipline (such as SwStr% and, say, first-pitch strikes (F-Strike%)) interact with one another. But since Weaver trails Nola in both total whiffs and stolen strikes — Nola, who strikes out 25% of hitters — I have a hard time conceding that Weaver will do more than split the difference between the regression equations and Nola.

Still, two or three additional ticks to his strikeout rate would improve my bearish outlook for him markedly. I squint and I see a top-30 starting pitcher, but I have this sinking feeling we’re overestimating his ceiling, especially in light of a career Minor League K% that never cracked 25% (i.e., against suboptimal competition).





Two-time FSWA award winner, including 2018 Baseball Writer of the Year, and 8-time award finalist. Featured in Lindy's magazine (2018, 2019), Rotowire magazine (2021), and Baseball Prospectus (2022, 2023, 2024, 2025). Biased toward a nicely rolled baseball pant.

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La Vie en Bleu
8 years ago

Both you and Eno are correct. Drill down into Weaver’s pitch-count pitches. They’ve evolved a bit. I won’t opine on the why’s, but I can guess the +contributing factors.

Brad JohnsonMember
8 years ago

His in-zone profile might partially explain why he’s had trouble with BABIP and HRs. Even if the stuff is hard to hit, batters can still focus on the zone, knowing the balls will look like balls (presumably this is why he doesn’t get out of zone whiffs).

I feel like Weaver needs to have a long conversation with Brandon McCarthy about competitive intentional balls.

Mario MendozaMember since 2017
8 years ago

Nola was giving me flashbacks of another young Philly SP who stole strikes (until he didn’t) — Vance Worley. Fears allayed on Nola, for now. But where exactly would you say Weaver falls on the Nola – Worley spectrum?

Paul Mammino
8 years ago

Where could one find the called strike rates and the in zone and out of zone swinging strike rates you used here? Or did you need to calculate these yourself?

Alan
8 years ago

Weaver’s shiny k rate might have to do with his schedule. Two starts against playoff teams where he was beat up, three starts against the K-tastic Brewers, and every other start was against the Pirates, Reds or the Sans.

johansantana17Member since 2026
8 years ago
Reply to  Alan

Who are the Sans?

Alan
8 years ago
Reply to  johansantana17

SD and SF

phealy48
8 years ago

I don’t play fantasy, but I find this player-centric analysis to be an awesome complement to the steady diet of broader trends explored at the main site. Thanks!

Jetsy Extrano
8 years ago
Reply to  phealy48

I’m not a fantasy player, but I skim the Roto section article headers and consistently read the Alex Chamberlain.

ace_hunter1982Member since 2016
8 years ago

Where is data for O-SwStr% and Z-SwStr% available? Nice article!

ace_hunter1982Member since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  ace_hunter1982

Just saw the calcs mentioned above. Nevermind. I hope you keep digging on this idea. Would be cool to look at year over year or out of sample predicitivity.

Mike PodhorzerFanGraphs Staff
8 years ago

My 2017 xK% for Weaver nearly justified his actual mark — it sat at 26.9%. A lot of it was a well above average rate of foul strikes induced. Along with an above average called strike rate and high strike percentage, it’s enough to offset just an average rate of swinging strikes.

So perhaps his K% was more deserved than assume. BUT, that doesn’t mean it’s sustainable. I generally frown upon pitchers who rely on called and foul strikes as it’s just a much less sustainable path to success. I’d be much more confident in his strikeout rate skills if they were driven by those swinging strikes. However, if he could post similar strike rate types, he’ll again be in the mid-20% strikeout rate range.

Bill
8 years ago

Don’y forget, the Yadi factor in StL is HUGH. Both mentally and in stealing Ks.

Moranall
8 years ago

Why aren’t called strikes counted in xK%? At least those on strike 3? For instance, Luke Weaver had 31.9% of his strikeouts (per BBREF) that were called strike 3 in 2017 and 28.9% in 2016. This could explain the difference between his xK% of 21.2% and his actual 28.0 K%.

Baller McCheeseMember since 2016
8 years ago

I don’t know if there’s an easy answer for this, but do Z-SwStr% or O-SwStr% tend to change much (for the better) throughout a pitcher’s career?

I ask because, right or wrong, it always seemed like swinging strikes in the zone was the pitcher beating the batter, while swinging strikes out of the zone was more the batter beating themselves. That may be an overly simplistic view. But it lends that it would be very hard to get a better Z-SwStr% without a pitcher’s stuff or control actually improving, but a pitcher could improve his O-SwStr% without there being an underlying physical change. That would leave a lot of room for growth for someone like Weaver to get better. Again, that’s probably a way too simplistic take.