My Experience Working With A Co-Manager
Before agreeing to join Chad Young in the management of his dynasty franchise, I had never really co-managed a team. There were a few situations in which I drafted a team and handed it over (and vice versa) but never a true collaborative process. In a properly deep league (like dynasty), having an associate is an enjoyable experience.
After about one year of working together, I think Chad and I have this co-managing thing down cold. The arrangement does have it’s shortcomings, namely a certain lack of agility. However, a collaborative approach comes equipped with plenty of benefits too.
Managing our roster isn’t actually very involved. It’s a weekly league with four waiver moves per week. It’s usually pretty obvious who we will or won’t be starting. Most of our team is dedicated to pre-MLB talent, and we can’t use platoons because of the weekly lineups. I could see how a daily moves dynasty could become a little tedious from a roster management perspective.
Mostly, we plot and scheme about trades. With 19 other owners, it’s useful to divvy up the talks. We’ll share taking the lead in trade discussions based on availability and workload. If I’m pushing an advantageous deal to acquire a player we don’t technically need, Chad will go look for a place to alleviate our new-found depth.
We also get to pool our knowledge which has benefits outside of our shared league. When I joined up last winter, I was very excited about drafting Carter Capps and Odubel Herrera. I wanted to pick them immediately. Which would have been fine – we took Drew Pomeranz with our first selection. We eventually landed both Capps and Herrera, and we hope they’re both long-term cornerstones.
Chad also stole Capps from me in our ottoneu league. Jerk. He’ll tell you he liked Capps before I brought him up, but I’m willing to bet he would not have bet more than $1 if he didn’t know that I considered him the perfect blend of Craig Kimbrel and Ken Giles.
Meanwhile, it was Chad who talked me out of trading Nomar Mazara a couple dozen times. Ditto Bradley Zimmer. I’m very happy with those various non-trades now. I’m always over-eager to trade any non-producing player. He was also responsible for the acquisition of Byung-ho Park. I think. That’s how I remember it.
Through unspoken agreement, we use consensus valuations on our players. Recently, we traded Dominic Smith for Dalton Pompey (I previously had talked Chad into dumping Pompey for Ben Zobrist and Tyler Clippard). My expectations for Smith are much higher than Chad’s. His expectations for Pompey are much higher than mine. We arrived at a middle ground that allowed us to agree to a trade despite conflicting valuations. It helped that we also perceived certain intrinsic benefits to owning Pompey.
Our partnership works in the way it does because we have similar, overlapping knowledge of the player universe. Our opinions and preferences diverge only subtly. But sometimes knowledge in a partnership is asymmetrical.
I usually see two variations of this relationship. Sometimes, a less skilled manager with plenty of free time will pair up with a more talented owner who lacks the focus to properly run a team. This is the consultant method to co-ownership.
Other times, the lesser owner is simply there to tag along, finance, or learn from the better owner. Let’s call this an alpha-owner arrangement. In yet other alpha-scenarios, one owner will take point on all negotiations simply because they’re more aggressive. They’ll consult with their co-manager if trade talks mutate outside certain pre-set parameters.
All of this is to say that there are many ways for a partnership to work. In my experience, two methods of co-ownership are best – the alpha-owner approach or the shared responsibility approach. Alpha owners can benefit from a more rapid response to opportunities.
Chad and I will occasionally lose out on a trade target because we’re still discussing whether we even want to submit a bid (let alone the contents of the bid). This would be less of a concern if Chad or I made unilateral decisions. However, I believe we benefit from our more carefully curated consensus-based approach.
The third type of partnership I mentioned – the consultant method – suffers from a fatal flaw. Like the consensus approach, it’s not agile. You’ll often fail to leverage brief opportunities. And like the alpha approach, the burden of the work is on just one owner, forcing a greater time investment for the same results as consensus partners. In short, even though it’s a very intuitive arrangement, I don’t recommend using a consultant-like co-owner
So, who else has experience with co-management?
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No experience with co-management, but an observation regarding daily lineups in a dynasty league.
Our H2H dynasty league does have daily lineups (which can set in advance) and it works. However, there are no roster changes permitted during the match. We have start limits, an MLB roster size, and a distinct MiL roster.
If you planned, you can cover injuries for the week.
Because there are budgets, salaries, and contracts, we have a weekly FFAB’s on Sunday and players are added for the following week’s match.
Had a friend manage my daily team while I was on vacation. He did better than I did, got my into the playoffs.
I have a buddy who I’ve partnered with in baseball, football and basketball. The latter two have worked out great, simply because I often acquiese to him when push comes to shove. He just knows more about talent than me. I don’t follow college ball much and he does, so he’s usually got background info I don’t. I do the day-to-day research on injuries, lineup changes, and trade rumors, feed them to him, then we discuss moves. It’s worked out great! But baseball, not so much. We’re both too opinionated and neither will give in. Ends up paralyzing the team. Which is OK ‘cuz we have our own baseball teams and I kick his ass, LOL.
This is an important factor to the success of a co-owned team. If your evaluative processes are comparable, it’s a lot easier to come to similar conclusions.
My buddy and I co-own an Ottoneu team and it has worked so well that we now do basketball together as well. I work on the super in depth stuff (prospects, random unknown relievers, hardcore draft prep) and he handles most of the daily lineup decisions. It works really well because when one of us has real life stuff going on the other can step in for a few days and handle everything.
The biggest advantage is being forced to explain to someone why you like a player. “I just do” doesn’t work when we are both spending hours and hours on a fantasy baseball team.
Good point. Chad and I have similar experiences. Usually, we’re talking each other out of liking a player. Yesterday, Chad talked me down from an offer for Jared Eickhoff (who I still like, just maybe not for Alex Wood). And I talked him out of an offer for Avisail Garcia (who we’re still going to include in our initial ask as a mean of framing).
I partner with two different people in two different baseball leagues. Both are alpha setups with me being the alpha. The first is an old arrangement from when we needed to partner up due to financial reasons in an expensive league and we have just stayed together since we’re good friends. We’re successful in the league with the most money finishes by far over the last decade so he’s happy. I keep him involved but he’s not going to say anything if I do something without consulting him. The second newer setup is a combination of the arguably top two players from the first league in a different league that is deeper, especially in the minors. He provides the research and I do the actual drafting, lineups, etc. Two pennants and a 2nd place in four years has proven it works pretty well.
In my dynasty league, one team has a co-owner that seems to be nothing more than a trade rejecting ghost. I don’t think he’s ever dropped into the league chat and I doubt anyone has ever communicated with him directly. I see him logged onto the site with some regularity but I don’t have a phone number or e-mail for him.
The team regularly lists players on their trade block but won’t actively negotiate deals (Mike Napoli has been “available” for well over a year). It usually plays out like this: send an offer, don’t hear back for a week or so, reach out via text or e-mail to the main owner, get a reply of “let me check with my co-owner,” then a prompt rejection without comment. This has happened to me at least a half dozen times.
I handle bats, he handles arms.
We’ve competed against each other for years. Finding good pitching was always a crap shoot for me, but I could consistently find breakout position players on draft day and the wire. My rival, on the other hand, was like Rain Man with pitchers, but his bats consistently underperformed.
Once we realized our disparate strengths and shortcomings in talent evaluation, the partnership was obvious. I’d tell you our W-L record, but you wouldn’t believe me. Suffice to say, the co-manager thing is here to say.