Marcus Stroman Has Arrived

Blue Jays starter Marcus Stroman has arrived. OK, that’s not entirely factual. Stroman arrived as a starter in late-May, and has turned in an incredibly strong rookie season. But after Monday’s complete game shutout, Stroman has been hard to brush aside. Over 114.2 innings, the 23-year-old Stroman has a 3.53 ERA and a 2.87 FIP. Those are numbers we expect to see from a long-time veteran, not a rookie. While he still has a few more starts left, it’s worth it to look at how well Stroman compares to some of his more recent colleagues.

For the purposes of this exercise, I looked at pitchers with similar strikeout and walk rates at age-23. I did this because I don’t necessarily care about ERA, FIP or WAR for this exercise. I wanted to look at which pitchers displayed similar skills at the same age. All of those stats are available in the chart, so if you want to see how Stroman’s FIP measures up to semi-recent players, you can do that.

With that out of the way, let’s look at some of the pitchers who displayed similar skills to Stroman at age-23.

Name GS IP K% BB% GB% SwStr% ERA FIP WAR
Bert Blyleven 37 281 21.700% 6.700% N/A N/A 2.66 2.37 8.7
Felix Hernandez 34 238.2 22.200% 7.300% 53.400% 10.600% 2.49 3.09 6.3
Jeremy Bonderman 34 214 22.400% 7.100% 48.200% 11.700% 4.08 3.29 5.9
Frank Tanana 31 241.1 21.100% 6.300% N/A N/A 2.54 2.97 5.6
John Danks 33 195 19.800% 7.100% 42.800% 11.00% 3.32 3.44 5
Javier Vazquez 33 217.2 20.700% 6.500% N/A N/A 4.05 3.68 5
Tommy Hanson 34 202.2 20.500% 6.600% 41.800% 8.400% 3.33 3.31 4.2
Eric Milton 34 206.1 19.00% 7.300% N/A N/A 4.49 4.28 4
Patrick Corbin 32 208.1 20.700% 6.300% 46.700% 10.700% 3.41 3.43 3.6
Kevin Millwood 29 171.2 22.00% 7.500% N/A N/A 4.14 3.63 3.2
Marcus Stroman 18 108.1 21.400% 5.800% 54.800% 8.00% 2.99 2.75 3
Julio Teheran 30 201 20.800% 5.800% 35.200% 10.800% 3 3.5 2.9
Jered Weaver 19 123 21.400% 6.700% 30.0% 9.00% 2.56 3.9 2.8
Drew Hutchison 28 163 21.500% 7.600% 36.500% 10.100% 4.47 3.83 2.5
Vance Worley 21 125 21.200% 7.800% 39.100% 5.400% 3.02 3.24 2.3
Travis Wood 17 102.2 20.500% 6.200% 30.500% 7.600% 3.51 3.42 2.2
Gerrit Cole 18 111 22.300% 7.900% 49.500% 9.400% 3.89 3.5 1.3

Upon first glance, you’ll likely notice that there are some really great pitchers on that list. Upon second glance you might notice there are two areas where Stroman excels a bit more than some of these players. He doesn’t walk many batters. In fact, he and Julio Teheran are tied with the best walk rate among this group of pitchers. Showing exceptional control/command at age-23 isn’t very common, even among pitchers who turn out to be elite.

Perhaps more interesting is Stroman’s 54.8% ground ball rate. It’s actually the highest on the list. The player who comes the closest to matching Stroman is this area is Felix Hernandez. Now, suggesting any pitcher will grow up to be Hernandez would be ludicrous, so let’s end that talk here. What we do have with Stroman is a pitcher who can strike out hitters at a high rate, keep his walks down and induce grounders at a high rate. If we’re looking at just skills, that’s basically the ideal pitcher.

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Of course, we can’t just look at skills. With Stroman, there’s always going to be talk about his height, and whether he can hold up under a starter’s workload. Stroman is listed a 5-9, 185. By comparison, Hernandez is 6-3, 225 and Teheran is 6-2, 200. Those are just the two guys I mentioned above, but it goes to show that most “workhorse” pitchers are bigger than Stroman.

If fatigue has set in this season, it’s gone unnoticed. Stroman has already tossed 150.1 between the majors and minors combined this season, and just threw his best start. A big reason for his dominance during the game was his two-seam fastball. Eric Koreen of the National Post detailed Stroman’s success with the offering lately. Since July 19, the sinker has been Stroman’s go-to pitch. He’s throwing it 28.4% of the time, which is more than he’s thrown any other pitch during that span. Stroman provided a great quote following Monday’s start, describing how the pitch has impacted his play. “I used to be a high-pitch guy: five innings, six innings, a ton of pitches and high punch-outs,” Stroman said. “Now I feel like I’m really learning how to pitch.”

This is encouraging for a few reasons. As Stroman showed Monday, the change to the sinker doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be a low-strikeout pitcher. And since we know he has the ability to get the strikeout when he needs it, Stroman’s altered repertoire shouldn’t bother us. On top of that, it’s going to help him get deeper into games. As Stroman explained in the above quote, he’s trying to be more effective with his pitches. If the sinker continues to work, he might be able to escape though high-pitch, high-effort games he refers to in his statement. There are some analysts who will argue a stressful inning is more damaging to a pitcher’s arm than throwing a lot of pitches over a relatively easy start. If you buy into that line of thinking, this could potentially be a huge addition for Stroman.

Stroman is pretty good, basically. He’s shown a ton of encouraging skills analysts typically look for in pitchers, and he hasn’t succumbed to fatigue just yet. While the Blue Jays August swoon may have pushed the team out of the minds of even the most avid baseball consumers, Stroman’s starts ought to be considered must-see TV at this point.





Chris is a blogger for CBSSports.com. He has also contributed to Sports on Earth, the 2013 Hard Ball Times Baseball Annual, ESPN, FanGraphs and RotoGraphs. He tries to be funny on twitter @Chris_Cwik.

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JAL
11 years ago

Thanks for this. Quick question. Any concern over Stroman’s relatively low swinging strike percentage? Wouldn’t we like to see it over at least 9/9.5%? Or does he not need it to be that high to be a 3.50ish ERA pitcher? Thanks.

Roll Tide
11 years ago
Reply to  JAL

I’m not sure how to prove this, but from watching his highlights it looks like he has a fairly high called strike %. Given his repertoire, particularly that two seamer, you might actually expect a higher called strike %. Maybe once people adapt to that, it might turn a pitch like a four seamer outside to righties into a swinging strike.

Spa City
11 years ago
Reply to  Roll Tide

Roll Tide!!!

Corey Kluber
11 years ago
Reply to  Roll Tide

He also throws a cutter, which can be tough to pick up to differentiate from a two-seamer. I would say that could be a very good pathway to success given his sharp command.

Spa City
11 years ago

Indeed he has. And I would very much like to move him into my starting rotation but for the extended unavailability of the OttoNeu site. According to the Twitter it has been fixed, but based on my (admittedly limited) “eye test” it does not seem to be quite fixed.

everdiso
11 years ago

Like that you split out his starter stats for the comps.

I think he might be a bit under the radar because his overall line has bee severely hurt by a couple of awful relief outinhs when he was first called up.

But his starting line has been spectacular – over 6ip/gs, with all of era, fip, xfip, and siera under 3.

This coming after dominating AAA to start the year.

He was barely a top 20 pitching prospect coming into the year (despite having the stuff and the stats to be higher), but he’s performed better than pretty much anyone else on that list this year. Pretty impressive.

toronto1993
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso

“He was barely a top 20 pitching prospect coming into the year (despite having the stuff and the stats to be higher), but he’s performed better than pretty much anyone else on that list this year. Pretty impressive.”

Baseball America had him as the #55 prospect overall and #27 pitching prospect. Pretty much the only pitcher above him who has done better is Tanaka, who wasnt really a prospect.

everdiso
11 years ago
Reply to  toronto1993

Good call. “barely top-30” would be more accurate.

Swfcdan
11 years ago

“Stroman is pretty good, basically”

Well glad we are in agreement there then. Thanks for the ground breaking analysis.

jo
11 years ago

What I love about Stroman, aside from all the nasty stuff, is that he really is a pitcher and not a thrower.

The guy has the stuff to strike people out, but he doesn’t consistently go to it. Unlike Morrow, who for most of his career was a guy who put so much emphasis on the strikeout that he’d end up with a 9k game but only lasted 5-6 innings.

Steve
11 years ago

I watched his game against the Cubs on Monday. Basically what I observed was:

1. He doesn’t mess around on the first pitch of the AB. But he doesn’t just throw a meatball…I saw a lot of sinkers “on the edges” (in quotes because many of them started just off the edge but had so much lateral movement they ended up almost grooved…not necessarily bad) to both righties and lefties. Got tons of first-pitch groundouts. Also saw several first-pitch changes to lefties, most of which ended in a weak swinging strike.

2. If a batter gets behind 0-2 or 1-2, they may as well start praying. He had disgusting control of his breaking ball-it started out mid-thigh and snapped off the table last-second into the dirt. Lots of batters looked foolish. But he didn’t necessarily spend the next 3 pitches going for the strikeout. He’d drop a breaking ball; if it didn’t work, he’d move on to another sinker or changeup. Once again, either a looking K or a groundout. Quick AB either way.

3. MIGHT have seen 1 3-ball count all game. Goodnight.

4. Everything was down…down…down. Elevated a couple times, but didn’t necessarily need it. When your heat and your breaking ball start out on the same plane and look the same; one goes straight and the other ends up heading to China, elevation isn’t always as necessary. He struck out Chris Coghlan (I think) on a 94-mph 4-seamer that he was 110% sure was gonna be a breaking ball. Gave this weak little emergency hack when the ball was already in the catcher’s mitt.

Sold. I don’t think I’ve seen a rookie pitcher make Show batters look overmatched like this in a VERY long time. I’ve seen rookies make batters look foolish, but not overmatched, and in my mind there’s a very subtle difference.

Paul
11 years ago
Reply to  Steve

I’m not sure what “VERY long time” means exactly, but I’ve seen in the past 5 years Stephen Strasburg, Jose Fernandez, Matt Moore, Gerrit Cole, Yordano Ventura, and Shelby Miller completely overmatch hitters at times in their rookie years. And that’s excluding “rookies” like Masahiro Tanaka and Yu Darvish.

Steve
11 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Stras for about 12 starts till he blew out his elbow. Now it comes and goes. Fernandez…okay yeah. You got me there pretty good. Gerrit Cole…didn’t watch too many of his starts. Plead the fifth there. Ventura has “overmatched” one team all season-his first start against the Rays. He’s made a lot of guys look foolish for one or two pitches in an at-bat though, and as I said there’s a difference to me. And yes. I’ve watched almost all of his starts. Shelby…can’t comment on him, didn’t watch much of his starts last year but just keeping an eye on it he looked fantastic.

Tanaka and Darvish were *rookies. I’m not counting them. Any signing with that many innings under their belt doesn’t count as a true rookie in my book…and yes. I’m one of those guys.

You’re probably right on many of those pitchers. “VERY long time” might be one of my classic overstatements. I guess Stroman’s intangibles are really what’s made an impression on me. It’s not just the ability to miss bats and make batters take silly swings. It’s more of the maturity.

Joe B
11 years ago

I have to be a somewhat crazy to even say this, but… Stroman reminds me of (GULP) Pedro Martinez. Small stature, power stuff, great control, good movement on his fastball, and even his delivery is similar to Pedro’s. I say this as a longtime Red Sox fan and having seen Pedro be as dominant as he was, I know Stroman is NOT Pedro… yet? I watched a game of his against the Sox this season and the dude can flat out pitch. I hope the kid can stay healthy throughout his career and I can see him being a Cy Young caliber pitcher in a few years. Just like Pedro did… ; )

Steve
11 years ago
Reply to  Joe B

I’ve seen more Pedro comparisons this season than I have ever before. Carlos Martinez (“Lil Pedro was his nickname coming up), Yordano Ventura, and now you’re mentioning Stro. Out of the three, I agree the most with the Stro/Pedro comparison. I doubt any pitcher will truly encompass Pedro but at the same time, if any of the three compared with him this year are going to even come close it would be Stroman. Yordano needs to work on throwing his offspeed stuff consistently. If he succeeds, he’ll be a monster too. Carlos Martinez…well my entire opinion of him is summed up in the word “ehhhhhhh…”. Stroman’s just so much farther advanced than the other two at this stage.

Eric
11 years ago
Reply to  Joe B

His 99.9th percentile end-result MIGHT be Pedro. That’s how silly comparing anyone to Pedro is.

Brian
11 years ago

Anyone have any insider information on whether he will finish the season against the Mariners? Thanks!

toronto1993
11 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Probably. He likely plays the final game vs the Mariners, which would set him up to play the Wild Card should the Jays actually make it.