Leverage Is A Fallacy
In the real world of baseball, the Orioles recently agreed to terms with Yovani Gallardo on a $35 million contract. Then they ran their classic bait-and-switch physical, cried “shoulder,” and leveraged Gallardo down to a $22 million guarantee. This is not the first time the O’s have killed a player’s leverage. Usually they go on to sign with another team for much less money.
You’d be hard pressed to find any 30-year-old pitcher without some kind of radar blip in their shoulder or elbow. In his prime, Gallardo threw 93 mph. This was back when 93 mph rated among the hardest throwing starting pitchers. Now he throws 90. There’s a pretty decent chance that whatever’s wrong with his shoulder is already assimilated into his game. Furthermore, given the contracts signed by Ian Kennedy and Mike Leake, decline appeared to already be priced into the original $35 million figure.
Gallardo and his agent should have anticipated the Orioles. They should have laid groundwork to co-opt the false leverage gained by the Orioles with the physical. Before any figures are exchanged, it’s the agents job to say, “we know you’re going find something when you run your physical. Let me be clear, we aren’t renegotiating.”
That statement doesn’t mean what it says. Here’s the sub-text. If you, the Orioles, find something in my client’s physical, we’ll budge. A little. Like a very tiny bit. Maybe we’ll accept a small percentage of the contract as very easy to trigger incentives. It depends what it is too.
Put another way, do you think Scott Boras would have taken a $13MM reduction in guaranteed pay? Doubtful.
So, how does this apply to fantasy trade talks. It’s this ever-important concept of leverage. Gallardo seemingly had few alternatives to the Orioles. Maybe the Rockies. Perhaps a return to the Rangers. They all looked like dubious options. He had no leverage, right?
Look at the Orioles rotation. Gallardo is now the “ace.” For a so-called contending club, that rotation is rather dog poopy. It was a good two or three wins worse without Gallardo. Maybe even worse if the seventh and eighth starters were really negative WAR guys. The Orioles needed Gallardo every bit as much as he needed them.
In any serious fantasy trade discussion, this mutual need is usually a prerequisite for a deal. Sometimes, a talk is purely about opportunism – you notice an owner is selling low on a player so you hop in despite no direct need. Those don’t usually work out.
When both parties need something from the other, leverage is just an excuse to artificially lower a valuation. Take this scenario from last season. I was rebuilding and had an unkeepable Aroldis Chapman. The saves category was such that both top teams had much to gain by adding Chapman’s saves – somewhere around four net points on their rival.
My prospective trading partners opted to stand pat rather than meet my asking price of a quality keeper. One owner in particular frequently sent me low ball offers, saying I had no leverage since I couldn’t keep Chapman. I stuck to my guns, he stuck to his.
I never did complete a trade. Now I’m preparing to cut Chapman on Saturday night (our keeper deadline), and it’s fine. As I recall, an $8 to keep Brandon Crawford was the best offer I received. Much as I like Crawford, I’d be cutting him for $8. I prefer to bet on Eugenio Suarez’s ridiculous baby ball park.
By not caving, I set the ground work for future trade talks with both owners. I won’t take a trade simply because I can’t keep a guy. In the end, both owners decided they didn’t need my saves. They were ultimately right, one owner ran away from the other in September. No amount of saves would have changed things. That wasn’t apparent in July or August, but no point being sour over it.
Leverage is what you make of it. If you allow it to be a factor in a trade talk, it will devalue your player. If you simply start a negotiation by highlighting how very little you care about this so-called leverage, then you can (mostly) remove the entire thought process from consideration. By taking such a stance, you risk short circuiting talks before they even begin. Don’t worry about it, you’re only weeding out owners who were trying to opportunistically take advantage of you.
Here are a few common scenarios when you should not fall prey to the leverage argument:
- You own X quality players at a position but can only start X-1.
- Your player has some kind of exceedingly minor injury concern.
- Your rival says “I’m interested in this guy, but I don’t need him.”
- Your player is too expensive to keep, and you aren’t contending.
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Why are you patting yourself on the back for holding on to a player with absolutely no value to you? You had a chance to move him for a guy that, while you may not see him as a keeper, pretty clearly has some surplus value and therefore could be used to acquire a different player that you would keep. At the very least it gives you a chance to package Crawford with another one of your keepers to upgrade at different position. Your argument of “setting the ground work for future trade talks” doesn’t really make any sense, because if you’re faced with the same scenario the following year it’s still the wrong move to hold onto Chapman.
I agree with the notion that leverage doesn’t exist in the scenarios laid out in the first 3 bullet points at the end of the article, but in the fourth one, which is the example you used for the article, leverage certainly does exist in that situation whether you want to admit it or not.
Why should I help somebody for nothing? Crawford is/was nothing. We can’t trade over the offseason and there wasn’t an in-season market for him. His owner tried to trade him to everyone with no luck.
I dunno Brad, when did you get this Crawford offer? If it was around the AS break he looked like a pretty darn good $8 keeper at that point. One would think he would at least have a tiny amount of potential to play his way into a keeper role if he maintained his first half pace.
I, too, disagree with the idea of holding on to nothing instead of trading it for something, and I don’t buy your “laying the groundwork for future trades” argument– If someone is low-balling and pointing out your lack of leverage, it’s not like next year they’re going to think “I wasn’t able to sucker Brad into a bad trade before, so I’ll never try again…”
I also wonder if this comes back to bite you sometime. Maybe next year you’re the one who wants the player from the guy with no leverage and he holds out just for spite.
I never get those guys anyway, so it’s not really a concern. My position is always “come to me when you need your player bid higher”
I don’t usually want the guy, I just want to prevent my rivals from getting a good deal.
Seeing how as you brought it up, maybe you should read your own site’s articles on the Orioles. Like Sullivan’s of a whole massive 2 days ago. No problem with your disagreeing with his conclusions, just not in an arrogant, buttholey manner.
In your situation, trading one guy you won’t keep for another that you won’t keep makes complete sense.
But, what do you do when you are offered a fringe or low end keeper?
What’s the point of a fringy keeper? It’s the same thing as a non-keeper. If you like the player, see breakout potential, etc then it could be worth the gamble. I paid a pricey Jose Bautista for $8 Jorge Soler early in the season (and now he’s going to get cut). But if it’s a $10 guy on an $8 contract, you’re basically getting nothing.
I guess my question is: If you are getting something of value, but well below market price, do you accept the trade or do you decline it to set yourself up for future trades?
Right. It’s an “it depends” scenario. You can take below market value for the right piece – as I thought I was for Soler. But don’t just take somebody fringy just you can have somebody. At least not in a standard league. The calculus is different in a deep dynasty.
Shoud have traded him whatever you could.
Because next time, the other owners will know that when you say you’re trading a guy… you trade him. So, you’ll get real offers.
You missed a perfect opportunity to sow those seeds, because losing Chapman would have cost you nothing.
You have a very different philosophy than me. I get way too many trade offers on a given day as it is. I do not want to encourage bad offers. I don’t have time for them and they only start arguments. The starting offer always anchors the final offer. It’s important to make your rivals stay slightly honest when sniping at your talent.
If I have a guy on my roster, that is worth nothing to me… but I can send a message by trading him… I’m trading him.
Why not? Can’t do anything else with him.
If I’m not winning, I like to make the winners pay. At least keep them nervous that you MIGHT do something that will mess them up. You let them off the hook!
Trust me, I did my best to play them off each other. Even tried to dump him on a non-contender who could mess up the saves category (he didn’t want to get involved).
It really comes down to knowing the other owners in the league. In one league dumping the guy for nothing of value might be the optimal play and in another league holding onto the guy is the better option.
Fair point. Both of the late-season contenders in the above example are known for being particularly hard to work with in trades. They always want to deal four guys fresh off the waiver wire for your actual good player.
Those 3 crap guys for 1 guys exist in expert leagues too? lol
Yes, although this is my home league – mix of industry guys and some legacies from pre-industry days. They’re all competitive. In some ways they’re stiffer competition because they have more attention focused on one league.
Couldn’t disagree more. I walk away from bad trades all the time in my main league, and I also close more deals than probably any other owner. So my rep is the guy who’s (a) always willing to deal and (b) not going to take a chump offer just because it’s the “best available”.
Sure, if you walk away from every deal or habitually overvalue your own guys or something … yeah then maybe people won’t even offer you next time. But that’s not this.
Perhaps “best available offers” should have been what I wrote about, but I wanted the tie-in with Gallardo 🙂
How much did Chapman cost? Seems like there is something wrong with the league if you can’t deal a reasonably priced top closer at the deadline.
Like $28 to keep. So it was a 2 month rental situation.
The league is shallow enough and designed in such a way that keepers really don’t need to be hoarded.
Part of you problem is that deals like this are easier to close in a deep league…where almost every player can be a keeper IF his cost is right…a league where a replacement level SS is Reuben Tejeda. In such a league, an $8 Crawford may not help someone trying to win, but he is a nice keeper for 2 years when his auction price is $15. I closed a similar deal to the one you turned down by trading an expiring Andrew McCutcheon for a $7 Crawford. It helped me because the league was deep, and trading a very good player for an average player can help both sides. Thee are fewer trade fits in shallow league.
These two would seem to have a similar retort:
You own X quality players at a position but can only start X-1.
Your player is too expensive to keep, and you aren’t contending.
Response: Maybe I don’t need to keep him on my team, but I’m shopping this player around and other teams are interested in him, too, so you’re going to have to outbid them.
Problem solved.
I agree; you did. In the future the other people in your league will avoid engaging you in trade talks as much as possible.
Yeah, I have to agree here. It’s not necessarily the fact that Brad HAS to trade but the tone and the way he handled it. Way too aggressive and undermines future opportunities.
That aggression is a necessary element of the strategy. Leverage creates a false devaluation of your player. To overcome that, you’ll get nowhere by being conciliatory. I too like to build positive relationships with my leaguemates, but sometimes the stick is needed instead.
You persist in seeing the problem as being with your leaguemates. It isn’t. The problem is within you, both in terms of your stubbornness (“I’m taking my ball home if I don’t get exactly what I want“) and your apparent inability to market your assets. I’m not great at the latter either, as I have difficulty convincing other people to value players exactly the way that I do. Instead of pouting and doing nothing when faced with unsatisfactory Chapman offers, you need to work on your ability to convince possible trade partners that making a move is in their best interests. Think of it as a presentation to a prospective client and come up with a statistical illustration of how much the trade could help their team.
It sounds like leverage was NOT a fallacy.
If the other owners really had no leverage, then you would have been able to get something for Chapman.
Agreed. You didn’t eliminate their leverage. Their leverage is what made you decide not to trade Chapman.
I think what people are missing here is that the leverage never existed because while Chapman was never going to be kept, and Brad wasn’t getting much use out of him, the managers in question had a need that he filled (until the other ran away with SV’s later). Yes, Brad wasn’t going to keep him, no Chapman wasn’t going to help him, BUT Chapman could have created a big advantage for one of those top teams at the time a deal was being discussed. Brad actually had the leverage because he had a desirable asset. It’s not unlike dealing a player on the last year of his contract at the deadline. Did Price fetch peanuts last year?
Now, add that these managers are notoriously difficult to deal with, which is something that I’ve come across in my leagues as well, and Brad had zero inclination to come down in his asking price. In one of my leagues, there was a guy who would go around trying to fleece everyone, and he would never even consider a trade unless he managed to. Sometimes, he’d score these massive lopsided trades that would piss the league off, but once we all started taking a hard line with him, his team started to wither and last year he finished under .500 for the first time since the league was formed.
I think Brad made the right call.