Fantasy Baseball Existentialism: Nightmare Declines
As a Giants fan, I can relate to what Tigers fans and fantasy owners of Justin Verlander must be feeling right now. One day, Tim Lincecum was the best pitcher on the planet, then he wasn’t quite as good, and then he was awful. One day, Matt Cain was really good at throwing baseballs, and then suddenly he wasn’t. They weren’t even that old, either. They still aren’t!
Lincecum posted a 2.81 ERA, 2.81 FIP, 26.9 percent strikeout rate, and 22.4 WAR from 2008-11 while winning two Cy Young awards and a World Series ring. Since showing up for the 2012 season, Lincecum has put up a 4.77 ERA, 3.99 FIP, 22.9 percent strikeout rate, and just 2.6 WAR over 79 starts. The nearly one run difference in his ERA and FIP over the last two-plus seasons has provided some reason for optimism, but at a certain point we’re going to have to accept that he just gives up more runs than his peripherals suggest he ought to.
From 2005-12, Cain went 85-78 with a 3.27 ERA and 3.65 FIP, prompting the Giants to give him a 6-year, $127.5 million extension during the spring of 2012. Now, Cain’s xFIP during that span was 4.19 due to what appeared to be an unsustainable 6.8 percent HR/FB ratio. Since the start of last season, his HR/FB ratio is 11.9 percent, which is the main culprit for his 4.14 ERA and 4.21 FIP. His xFIP has actually gone down to 3.98. Perhaps with Cain, fly-ball luck eventually ran out and he became the mediocre pitcher his peripherals always suggested he was. As an extreme fly-ball pitcher, he’s always been able to maintain a low BABIP (.264 from 2005-12 and .257 in 2013-14).
Verlander showed signs of decline last season, but he appeared to right the ship down the stretch and in the postseason. He’s in year two of a 7-year, $180 million deal—the extension replaced the final two years of his previous deal, so it can also be seen as a 5-year deal that starts next season—and the Tigers have to be feeling buyer’s remorse already.
After posting 6-8 WAR seasons from 2009-12, he slipped to 5.2 WAR last year. This season, he’s posted a 4.98 ERA over 15 starts with a strikeout rate of just 15.8 percent. After averaging 95 mph on the heater in 2011, his fastball velocity has slipped down to an average of 92.6 mph.
Verlander is 31 years old with a lot of mileage on his elbow ligaments. Lincecum just turned 30, he’s undersized, and his velocity began declining in 2009 and never came back. Cain will be 30 in October, and while his velocity hasn’t changed much since 2010, he just doesn’t look like the same guy anymore.
Do former aces who begin to decline ever get it back? Or once it starts to go does it just keep on going?
It isn’t just Verlander, Cain, and Lincecum in the midst of nightmare declines. Cliff Lee, who is owed $25 million this year and next with a $27.5 million option for 2016, has been on the shelf for a month with an elbow problem. He pitched well before being sidelined, but he’ll turn 36 in August. CC Sabathia will be 34 in July and his ERA since the beginning of last season is 4.87. Even the maniacally hard-working Roy Halladay eventually broke down. As dominant as Clayton Kershaw has been, there will come a day for his inevitable decline and fall.
It isn’t just pitchers like Verlander, Cain, and Sabathia having disappointing seasons. In-their-prime position players like Evan Longoria and Buster Posey have let their fantasy owners down, too. It’s one thing for pitchers with a lot of wear and tear to begin to break down, but how do you explain 27-28 year old star positional talents letting you down? Pitchers fall apart, but young hitters shouldn’t being to slip like this, right? Has the diminutive Dustin Pedroia started his decline phase? Why does Robinson Cano have only four home runs and a .109 ISO? When will the Mariners want a do-over on that contract?
There’s just so much we don’t know. As Philip Roth wrote in The Human Stain, “What we know is that, in an unclichéd way, nobody knows anything. You can’t know anything. The things you know you don’t know…All that we don’t know is astonishing. Even more astonishing is what passes as knowing.”
With the knowledge that we know we know nothing, the question is: when is the right time to cut your losses as a fantasy owner? And, what good does it do to cut your losses if you have to sell at the bottom of the market anyway? You might as well hold on, hoping against all odds that Lincecum’s ERA starts to match his peripherals, that Cain’s fly balls start dying on the warning track again, that Verlander and Sabathia turn back the clock or learn to get hitters out with diminished velocity, that Longoria and Posey begin to match their track records, that Lee’s elbow returns to health, and that Cano and Pedroia aren’t yet in the decline phase.
All things are prone to decay and decline, yet it doesn’t truly hit home until it happens to you. Jim Cavan wrote:
Sports, at their core, are pastimes, our respite from the rancid rancor of politics and the monotony of daily life. It’s an outlet—social, emotional and psychological—through which we exercise our innate competitiveness in an arena that isn’t nearly as rancorous as Washington or as frustratingly mundane as our living rooms are. Watching the Knicks, for me, is a chance to frolic in a [bleeped]-up alternate universe where nothing makes sense. Where nothing is supposed to make sense.
I never thought Lincecum or Cain would fall this far, at least not this quickly. But here we are, and even though it doesn’t make much sense, their declines are at least more true to life than those awesome championship parades.
Mark Reynolds graduated from Dominican University of California in 2008 with a degree in Political Science. Since graduating, he's been "blogging" about baseball and other topics.
“Do former aces who begin to decline ever get it back? Or once it starts to go does it just keep on going?”
I’m afraid in the post PEDs era, it just keeps on going.
Time to relax the PED rules then!
I like the quote you pulled. It was one of the sentences that grabbed me, too. The answer is “No!” But then there’s always the Bartolo Colon and Scott Kasmir turn-around that make you go, “Not so fast, Pal.” There are others but I’m a lazy dude and a fan of the Athletics so they came to mind.
Anybody can have one down year (Christy Mathewson in 1906 comes to mind), but examples of pitchers who came back from multiple down years to be dominant are rare:
Tom Seaver, 2.6 WAR in 1980-1982; 10.0 WAR in 1983-1985
Curt Simmons: 3.8 WAR in 55-56; 8.9 WAR in 57-58
Chuck Finley: 4.0 WAR in 91-92; 8.4 WAR in 93-94
Whitey Ford: 5.0 WAR in 59-60; 10.8 WAR in 61-62
Luis Tiant: 1.0 WAR in 69-71; 14.7 WAR in 72-74
Jack Morris: 3.8 WAR in 89-90; 8.5 WAR in 91-92
And a lot of those guys are stretching the definitions.
I’ve been wondering lately if it will ever come out that players PED’d to get the jumbo contracts and then quit them to avoid suspensions and disgrace. There’s always been idle speculation that players work hard to get the big deal and then slack off. I suppose the before/after PED theory is a variation on this theme
Does “we can’t know anything” apply to knowing about not knowing anything, or did it kick in immediately after you thought of it?
Pulled from my nether regions after re-reading the Roth quote.
Lets not jump the gun on Lee, injured or not this season he’s looked fine, unless he melts down after getting off the DL not problem.
Agreed. Given his pinpoint command, as long as he stays healthy, I think he’s a great bet to remain effective for the life of his contract. However, the elbow scares me.
Already decided to cut loss on Matt Cain traded for 1st round pitching got Gerrit Cole, Next year will cut VERLANDER.IN OFFENSIVE categories , looking to get rid of BIG PAPI ORTIZ , HRS are there but nothing else , getting robbed a lot by shift, and now that he has a T.V SHOW on MTV (who doesn’t show videos anymore ) kinda feel mind is elsewhere…team getting younger and Pedroia and Napoli both not providing protection anymore… GLTA.
Wow awesome! Thank you for SHARING your fantasy EXPERIENCES.
I also likE chocklates and walks on the beach. I once saw a bird. Think ima hav a sangwich. Peece!
I don’t really see how saying something like “I dumped so-and-so because XXX” is any less useful than saying “If you have so-and-so, you should dump them because XXX.” If anything, it indicates that it’s less likely to be idle chatter – and the original article IS framed in the context of fantasy, after all!
I didn’t know this article was going to delve into epistemology, but since you brought up the subject of what do we know: you know how to write in English. I read your article, and understood the message you were attempting to communicate. Therefore, it is safe to say that you do know something. Specifically, how to write in the English language. Skepticism is a very useful tool, but don’t succumb to the notion that you know nothing at all.
Concerning the subject matter, generally I’ve seen that pitchers go through two periods of velocity decline: age 28, and then 31-32. The greater decline period tends to occur at the 31-32 time frame. If you sort starting pitchers by age over recent years, I think you’ll notice that the ones whom we would generally consider successful over the age of 32 share a similar trait: they are all more control pitchers versus power arms. I.e., it appears to be very rare for power pitchers to develop into a successful control/command type of pitcher later in their careers. It can be done, but the odds are low. Subsequently, it makes sense from a fantasy perspective to avoid high priced starters in their early 30’s who are not already a control/command type of pitcher.
I’d be more inclined to bet on positional players in their prime reverting to the mean, assuming no obvious warning signs like changes in walk and strike out rates etc…
This is a great comment. I would point to Kyle Lohse and Tim Hudson as two obvious examples to support your theory.
“Chatter is initially bright and light hearted
But it’s not long before Storm gets started:
‘You can’t know anything,
Knowledge is merely opinion.’
She opines, over her Cabernet Sauvignon
Vis a vis
Some unhippily
Empirical comment by me.
“‘Not a good start,’ I think.
We’re only on pre-dinner drinks
And across the room, my wife
Widens her eyes
Silently begs me, ‘Be nice.’
A matrimonial warning
Not worth ignoring
So I resist the urge to ask Storm
Whether knowledge is so loose-weave
Of a morning
When deciding whether to leave
Her apartment by the front door
Or a window on the second floor.”
What about someone like Marco Estrada? He is having a really hard year, but it seems like the underlying skills are still there. I want an article on him! Rotographs, help me out!
The Bible also talks about something similar regarding knowing.
“Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know.” Corinthians 8:2
The context here though is about those who are arrogant in their knowledge not knowing as they should.
Good call going to the bible as an authority on knowledge. *slams head into desk*
Hey, you flaming atheist, The Bible is a pretty good go to for knowledge of the heart and other matters metaphysical. There are tons of tidbits on clubhouse chemistry, clutch hitting and other unknowables, which you would know if you had ever cracked it. It begins, “The first section of this book…”…
Tell us, flaming moron christer: How is it good for “the heart” of a rape victim to kill her if she doesn’t cry out in the city, and force her to marry her rapist if she’s raped in the country? That’s in your genocidal hate manual–not far from those 10 stolen when it’s not stupid rules–er, commandments.
Tell us how it’s good for the heart to be at risk for enslavement at will if you’re a foreigner in another land. Or if you don’t adhere to the dominant genocidal delusion.
Tell us how it’s good for the heart to be beaten as much as an owner wants, as long as you don’t die after a couple of days from it.
While you’re at it, tell us how it’s good for “the heart” to be tortured–FOREVER–for rejecting a zombie sadist’s claims.
I can go on, if you want.
Hint: If you ripped out the (PRECIOUS FEW) “good” parts of your genocidal hate manual, you’d barely have enough paper to wipe a midget’s butt.
99% of your big book of bad ideas is either psychotically violent, boring as hell, or dumber than a box of rocks.
You should be ashamed of yourself for thinking anyone would be impressed with your genocidal hate manual.