Even The Worst Trades Sometimes Work

We’ve all seen our share of terrible trades. Deals that make you say “What in Ruth’s bloody balls were you thinking.” However, I’ve noticed something over the years. These so-called terrible trades often look less ridiculous in retrospect. Not “good.” Just less bad. The lesson, I suppose, is that time can salvage a disaster. Sometimes.

Earlier this week, a patron brought an ottoneu trade to my attention, saying the league was grumbling about vetoing it. He wasn’t involved. My reaction was to wonder who even won the trade. Here are the details:

Team A receives: $47 Max Scherzer and $30

Team B receives: $16 Eloy Jimenez and $1 Andres Gimenez

Presumably, Team B is rebuilding and Team A is contending. It’s a classic prospect for stud trade. My only gripe is that while Scherzer may seem expensive, he’s actually dirt cheap. Easily a $65 pitcher until he breaks. And the nice thing about broken pitchers in ottoneu is you eventually get all that cash back to spend on the waiver wire. That said, Scherzer is of an age when he could cease to exist at any moment. It’s an ever-present risk.

There’s also risk on the Jimenez side. The hope is that he’s immediately a $40 outfielder. If so, he’ll absorb serious arbitration bidding, costing something like $29 next year and $38 the following year. Since Team B is probably rebuilding, the profit is basically lost by the time they’re back in contention.

There’s also a reality in which Jimenez is more like a $10 guy. In which case, he’s kept for $18 (a loss of $8) because he’s uber-hyped Eloy Jimenez. And if it happens again, he’s kept for $20 (a loss of $10), and so on and so forth. As for Gimenez, I like that his name is almost Jimenez. He’s one of about 60 prospects worth owning for $1 in the otto-verse.

I was confused as to who was getting vetoed so I ran a Twitter poll.

There is a slight preference for the Scherzer side. I feel the same way. I rarely rebuild – maybe five percent of my keeper/dynasty rosters – so I’ll always be biased towards present value. After this poll, one of the owners involved reached out to note that Team A has a top heavy, win-now roster while Team B is rebuilding for 2020. That’s exactly the context we assumed earlier. It’s why people play formats like ottoneu, to add the dimension of time to trades.

Whoops, I Digressed

That trade wasn’t even meant to be today’s topic. Instead, I’d like to dig up a true disaster deal from the 2017-2018 offseason. This trade was made in a 20-team industry league with 45-player rosters. We keep 28 at no cost.

That image might be a little hard to read. Let’s try it again:

Team A gets: Starling Heredia, Blake Rutherford, Keibert Ruiz, Austin Riley, Justus Sheffield, Royce Lewis, Domingo Acevedo, Luis Almanzar, Alex Verdugo, Lazaro Armenteros, Yordan Alvarez, Dylan Cease, and Willy Adames

Team B gets: Maikel Franco, Fernando Tatis Jr., Walker Buehler, Jack Flaherty, Paul DeJong, Willie Calhoun, Brad Peacock, Stephen Piscotty, and Alex Bregman

The league, understandably, was in an uproar over this trade. We don’t veto deals, but we came close to stepping in with this one. Team A’s justification for the swap was “I like Alex Verdugo.” He’s still a fine prospect, but he’s also, what? The 14th best player in this trade (both then and now).

Rewind your mind to December of 2017. Forget that Ruiz and Lewis are big deals now. The issue was that Team A traded away the best prospects – Tatis, Buehler, Calhoun (we thought), and Flaherty. He also traded away the best present talent – DeJong, Piscotty, and Bregman. An aside, do you like how Bregman’s listed as the last player in the deal?

In perfect retrospect, both owners identified and acquired a collection of players who massively outperformed expectations in 2018. The Team A haul probably hit their 75th percentile as a group. The Team B haul struck gold with Buehler, Flaherty, and Bregman turning into monster assets. Even so, the deal looks a little less bad in retrospect. Team A landed a slew of top 50 prospects, enough to still have a bright future.

The deal was still ridiculous. If you find yourself on the cusp of a trade like this, FULL STOP. Break it into pieces. Execute the pieces separately. You might find you can get Verdugo, Ruiz, and Lewis while only using Franco, DeJong, and Piscotty. You should be very sure you’re crushing a trade of this size before executing it. This is also a rare instance where I advocate using a veto. Force these two noobs to break the deal into three or four digestible bites.





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bluerum29
5 years ago

During this offseason I got a lot of slack for the trade I made involving Arenado. It was Arenado for Folty and Heaney. No draft picks or minor leaguers involved. It is a league that has always favored starting pitching and I have Vlad Jr. to take over 3rd this year. I get how good Arenado is, I’m the only one in the league who has ever owned him. Every team has different needs in a trade. And what you can get back is all based on what others are willing to deal.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Could have always tried to hold out for more. But knowing our league, they could have also moved on made a trade with someone else and then left out to dry. If all are healthy, I think it will work out for both sides. I just thought the calls for collusion were hilarious.

catzdogz
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

Please leave me out to dry with Arenado in hand

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  catzdogz

That comment was in reference to me being left out to dry without a trading partner. Every league is different and as I said, Starting pitching brings more value in our league.

treyash9member
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

You must trust these two arms a lot more than I do. Adding to Brad’s counter, you could have and should have gotten better bet SPs for Arenado… considering the risk/upside/floor. Did you shop the trade? Was this a full market participation best offer?

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  treyash9

I like both of them moving forward, hoping that Folty is not hurt right now. In our league the top ace pitchers are not traded for top bats. The points favor the great arms over great bats (Folty and Arenado were within 2 total points of each other on the season). Could have gotten MadBum instead of Heaney, preferred the young arm. Barrios was a possibility, but not a good arm to pair with him in the deal.