Early Mock Draft: Round Two
We’ve already unveiled round one, and talked about Michael Brantley vs Ryan Braun, and there’s more analysis about specific picks coming.
But now it’s time to look at the second round as a thing. Because maybe in the early decade, it seemed like the sure things bled into the second round. Now it seems you can’t get out of the top ten without questions.
So here are the second rounders in our earliest of mock drafts:
| Rd | Pick | Player | Pos | Manager |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 | 13 | Yasiel Puig | OF | wiers |
| 2 | 14 | Anthony Rendon | 3B | Blue Sox |
| 2 | 15 | Jose Altuve | 2B | wydiyd |
| 2 | 16 | Jacoby Ellsbury | OF | ColinZarzycki |
| 2 | 17 | Adam Jones | OF | cwik |
| 2 | 18 | Freddie Freeman | 1B | Scott Spratt |
| 2 | 19 | Chris Sale | SP | jhicks |
| 2 | 20 | Ian Desmond | SS | Paul Sporer |
| 2 | 21 | Anthony Rizzo | 1B | enosarris |
| 2 | 22 | Felix Hernandez | SP | Zach Sanders |
| 2 | 23 | Bryce Harper | OF | Pod |
| 2 | 24 | Hanley Ramirez | SS | Dan |
One thing that occurs to me when looking at Anthony Rizzo vs Yasiel Puig, and Michael Brantley vs Ryan Braun, and SGP vs Z-Score analysis — we treat individual stats as individual, but there’s tons of multi-collinearity here. In other words, we can’t really look at homers and RBI as stand-alone stat categories if they influence each other so heavily. This is especially important if you want to punt a category.
And there are seemingly different kinds of players, is there a chance that the Big Power dude is so rare that we should value him a little more heavily over the Five Category non-monster? In other words, are there plenty of 15/15 guys, but not many 30/0 guys? That would change things, especially when you’re thinking about your late-draft picks and what kinds of players would fit in there.
More on that later, but it could affect what we think of picking guys like Yasiel Puig and Bryce Harper in the second round. They have demonstrated potential to give a little in every category, but we’re still waiting on elite work in any one category (except save perhaps Puig’s batting average so far). The fact that these two outfielders are 22 years old can’t be lost, though. They’re looking up at their peaks and have already shown enough to be useful if they don’t improve. But picking them here assumes improvement — which is fair.
The pitcher creep continues with Felix Hernandez and Chris Sale jumping into the second round. As Chris Cwik said about Clayton Kershaw in the first round, these are great picks if you assume health. I just can’t assume that, and so you’ll see me pick my ace later (Johnny Cueto at 5.52). Maybe Felix Hernandez has earned the benefit of the doubt, but absolutely Chris Sale has not done that for me. He’s already hit the DL for an elbow strain.
You might make the duckface at some of the younger players picked here. Anthony Rendon might not — probably won’t — steal as many bags next year, ditto Jose Altuve, and maybe even Anthony Rizzo hasn’t done it long enough for you. But look at the veterans. Adam Jones is turning 30 this year and just stole a career-low in bags and had a three-year low in power. If he hits .280/25/5 this year, he probably won’t be a top-20 guy in year-end value. Hanley Ramirez is 31 and has averaged 475 plate appearances over the last four years. And there’s little evidence that the outfield treats you better than the infield.
It’s a good round to put something into focus: there’s risk everywhere. If you pick a young player, you’re risking that they won’t improve and that you’ve already seen their best. And with an old player, you’re risking the swift declines of the post-PED environment. If you’re taking a pitcher, there’s the injury risk.
Obviously Anthony Rizzo was the pick of the round because he falls into all the right buckets for these risk factors, right?
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Rizzo is a steal there, and the FF pick made me taste my breakfast a second time. Harper is surprising, but I guess it comes down to your individual degree of belief on him. Too much risk for me in the 2nd round, but the other names here are all very reasonable.
I don’t get Freeman over Rizzo, I see that in early rankings as well. I’m taking Rizzo everytime if given the choice. Especially with an improved Cubs team and probably a Braves offense that isn’t as good as it was.
Me either. Freddie career high in hrs is 23. he just hit 18. The lineup around him is getting much weaker. I dont really get his appeal at all. There are alot of 1b I take over him. If its an ops league I prefer Moss to Freddie. 20 hr 1b dont excite me.
How do you not pick Donaldson ahead of Freeman? Slightly better stats at 3b.
Even though I’m a big believer in positional scarcity and getting the absolute best talent in the weakest positions as early as you can, I love your Rizzo pick late in the round. Dude has more upside than a guy like Desmond, and you had no chance to get Altuve (huge risk IMO) or Rendon. Though I’m not sure why you would pick Rizzo and Cabrera with your first two picks, I might have risked it and gone Tulo, even though it’s super early with the 4th overall pick.
How have Donaldson and Seager not been picked yet? I like both of them more than a one year gamble on Jones, Harper, Ellsbury, or Altuve and with 3B being such a black hole, those two could be absolute gold.
was really liking seager but really only his RBIS were better last year. nothing better with avg, Ks or OBP.
Where’s Donaldson? I have him as my #1 3rd basemen at a thin position.
Yeah, his absence is pretty surprising. I’d say it’s a pretty safe bet that he can crank 30 HR’s playing at the Skydome. And there is some BA upside there compared to last year. He’s a definite 2nd rounder for me, but I’m sure he went with the first few picks in the 3rd here.
Donaldson is my pick for 2015 AL MVP barring injury.
don’t put any money on that
Did you have Donaldson on your roster last year? It was pretty brutal for months at a time.
I’m surprised Rizzo fell that far. He already put up monster numbers last year and the lineup around him could dramatically improve. I would certainly draft him over Freeman, as he’s a better player (both IRL and fantasy) and his R+RBI opportunities should be far more plentiful.
And just looking at the Braves lineup, wow that team sucks offensively.
Also, Puig is 24, not 22. Not that that makes a big difference for a one year investment.
Also, Eno, two 1B with your first two picks, was it simply taking a best player available approach at the top of the draft?
you have a 1B and CI spot for a reason…
Freeman is the big meh to me. First baseman without monster HR potential or ability to chip in some stolen bases is not a first two-round pick.
There seems to be a lot of Rizzo love and Freeman hate on the sight so far. I think the reason for this is that no one seems to put any value in average. Last year the average major leaguer hit .251 Freddie Freeman probably won’t ever hit 30 homers in his career, but hes a pretty safe bet to post 20 bombs and a .300 + average. You can’t overlook average as a rotisserie category.
With that said, i wouldn’t argue over you taking Rizzo first, but i think it’s closer than many of you guys realize.
Freddie is not a safe bet for .300+. He did that once. He is a .286 career hitter, which happens to be exactly what Rizzo hit last year. Freddie may be a safe bet to hit for a higher average, but is the gap big enough to make up the power difference? I dont think so.
I don’t think anyone really banks on AVG as a reliable stat to draft. Too many variables that can throw it off. The best that you can do is draft a guy knowing that he has a career AVG that is above league average and hope for the best. HR’s and SB’s are far more reliable stats to use when going into a draft.
http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=5361&position=1B&page=9&players=3473
Kind of interesting
Loved Rizzo in my OBP league last year!
Puig is 24 btw.
Not that we should ignore any season’s worth of data, but it is always amusing to see the posters so adamant in a position that just a year ago would have seemed absurd.
Freeman vs. Rizzo?
A year ago Freeman was coming off a career high 23 HR and a .319 avg. He was the rising young 1b star. Rizzo was coming off a 23 HR .233 season and was that overrated former top prospect that nobody trusted.
Whenever I hold a strong opinion about fantasy baseball I always ask myself what I would have thought last year. It usually tempers my views.
I guess I was just never big on Freeman to begin with. I looked at his 2013 as year with an unsustainable .371 BABIP and someone who still looked like he’ll never hit 30 HRs. Rizzo did what people expected he could do and can probably continue to build on for this season.
Attributing outcomes that fall outside your preconceived notions as luck, yet attributing outcomes that fall in line with your expectations as skill is a good way to never be wrong.
Freeman had a .351 BABIP this year and saying a 24 year old will never hit for power just seems wrong. Rizzo might have “figured out LHP” or maybe that’s an aberration fueled by a .325 BABIP against LHP.
Who really knows?
Of course. No one really knows and that’s what makes fantasy baseball so fun. I was simply stating that my basis of Rizzo over Freeman was not solely based on 2014 numbers. For fantasy purposes I can see Freeman edging out Rizzo in one category maybe.
all he’s saying, if asked to compare them last year, he didn’t have Freeman as high and Rizzo so low, so thinking Rizzo is better than Freeman this year isn’t as unreasonable
I’m not sure there’s a great argument for Freeman being that far behind Rizzo in terms of R/RBI either. Sure Rizzo might hit 10 more HRs, but Freeman could easily bat 20-30 points higher than Rizzo. Would anyone really be surprised by lines of 33/270 for Rizzo and 22/300 line from Freeman?
Freeman has the AVG upside and Rizzo has the HR upside. The AVG upside fuels R/RBI just as well as the HR upside does.
I’d prefer Rizzo, I own him in my main keeper league, but I just don’t see the distrust of Freeman. This time last year these picks wouldn’t have raised alarm.
Good point but at the same time comparing players in 2013 who were at opposite ends of BABIP spectrum. .258 vs .371. Rizzo, in what will probably be the worst year of his career, hit as many home runs as Freeman has ever hit in a year. It would of been flawed to compare Rizzo vs Freddie based on 2013 with those absurd BABIPs. Rizzo had BABIPs of 310 and 311 his other 2 seasons. I think it is safe to throw out that .233.
BABIP is not always simply a “luck” stat. There are guys who are skilled in maintaining high BABIP. At this point we’ve seen a .371 and .351 season out of Freeman.
Rizzo’s low BABIP in 2013 was partially due to his .200 BABIP against LHP that season. He made very weak contact against LHP. He had an IFFB% of 15%. This low BABIP is not entirely “luck” based. He was simply bad against LHP in 2013, no matter his luck.
BABIP is fine to use in some instances as a luck factor, but not always.
Even if some of the BABIP is justified, some of it is clearly luck. i would wager his avg vs RHP was down plenty that year as well. Eitherway, forgetting average, Rizzo still hit 23 home runs in his worst season to date, and Freddie still hit 23 in his best. Average is clearly fickle. The power from Rizzo over Freddie seems pretty bankable.
“Average is clearly fickle” may be overstating it a tad. BABIP is fairly fickle, but more so for pitchers (BABIP against) than for hitters, where there is a reasonable degree of correlation over the course of one’s career. Not perfect correlation, or even super strong correlation, but neither uncorrelated.
Eno’s point, I think, is that MLB has fewer sure things than ever before. I do wonder whether the growth of analytics has something to do with this–we know to expect regression, we know to look at aging curves, we know the unpredictability of stolen bases. But after the first eight or so picks, it’s really anybody’s guess. Other than Donaldson, who absolutely should be gone by 24 but isn’t?
Someone is going to get a steal of a deal when they pick up Beltre in the 3rd round. I know he’s old, but damn, 3B is THIN!!!!
I completely agree. I’m not normally one to get too crazy about positional depth, but 3B falls off of a cliff really quick and Beltre will certainly put up close to elite numbers once again this year.
I might have waited a round and tried to get Votto or Fielder.
I just think the problem with Rizzo here is the lack of upside. Don’t get me wrong: I’m not saying it is a bad pick as I love Rizzo and own him everywhere. But I think you could take a bit more risk and possibly filled the position a round or two later and gamble of getting value out of Votto or Fielder. And then you could have gotten a Harper,Donaldson, or a eternal 2nd rounder, Justin Upton there.
Does Harper have upside in round 2?
Harper has upside in round 1.
Yeah, I don’t see it. What’s his best 2015 projection? Something like 30 HR .280 10 SB? That’s Adam Jones. Is Adam Jones someone with first round upside?
And Harper has a lot more uncertainty than most 1st/2nd round picks. I’m not sure he provides value in the 1st/2nd round.
For fantasy purposes, I wouldn’t say an imitation of 2014 Mike Trout is impossible with more power/less speed. Harper’s upside is something like .280 35-40HR/10SB.
Adam Jones certainly has 1st round upside and would be a 1st rounder if he walked more and didn’t swing at everything.
So you think an outside shot at 30-35 HR with a .280 avg for Harper is 1st round upside? Yet you don’t think Rizzo, a guy who has actually hit those numbers, has any upside in the 2nd round? That’s just not consistent at all.
Puig is 24, not 22.
Thanks for finally pointing that out!!
Is there anywhere on Fangraphs, or online, that details the average $ value for first round player (Top 12) compared to a second, third, fourth round player, etc? Im just curious what the gap is between projected first round production/value and each round after.
the comments for this article is the best info so far this year.
Puig is 24, not 22.
desmond had good value in 2013 and 2014 but this year not as much. people were drafting tulow, hram and reyes before him.
So mad I slept on Rendon in my keeper league last year. I knew he was going to be a good one, but maybe not this good. He lasted 24 rounds in my league. I took ridiculously bad players ahead of him. I just didn’t need another 2B or 3B.
I should’ve joined this when I had the chance…
Where can I find mocks for Dynasty startups? And ADPs? Thanks!
I keep seeing Donaldson over Freeman, but I still really love Beltre. Very high AVG 20+ homers and with a healthier Rangers lineup I see much better counting stats also. I would still draft Beltre in the 1st
Victor Martinez and Beltre are both going to be 36 this coming season. I like Victor power and average in a better line up in the third round. I would take either Frazier or Arenado in the fourth.