Duda now Demoted, Demonstrates Directives

Lucas Duda has now been demoted to Triple-A Buffalo. His work so far can still demonstrate some lessons for all of us.

1) Long-shot sleepers are meant to be treated as long-shot sleepers.
Do you know who my long-shot tout was for 2011? Will Venable. I liked his athletic talents and thought he would do enough away from home to show his lefty power, stolen-base skills, and (what I thought were) improving contact skills. When Venable hit .246 with 9 home runs and 29 stolen bases, many thought that was a bust, but I owned him in deep leagues and used him at center field against righties and away from home and enjoyed his .256/.319/.423 work against right-handers, plus a little extra on the road. And, in any case, I had spent only a few deep-league late-draft bucks on him, so when I dropped him in other leagues it didn’t hurt.

Fast forward to this year, when I put forth the idea that Duda might outperform Logan Morrison in all relevant fantasy categories. The hint here was that it came in the same collection of outrageous predictions that had Jimmy Paredes as the new Emilio Bonifacio. But I’ll admit to having Duda on many of teams and understand that he was one of my touts — even if I usually spent a last-round pick or a dollar or two on him. (That $15 for him in the Experts League on ottoneu was a thing that I knew was bad as it was happening, so please don’t hate me too hard for that.) Most of my teams will drop him, maybe my linear weights ottoneu team will hold him at a dollar, but most of my teams would drop him if he was demoted and would’t feel the pain too hard. He has been a .250/.366/.429 vs. RHP bench bat for me in the meantime.

Hopefully you guys realized that Duda was my long-shot sleeper. And that you’ve got to take those shots every year, even if they don’t work out all the time.

2) Defense matters.
Defense and non-stolen-base baserunning doesn’t show up in the fantasy box scores. But if the Mets pick Jordany Valdespin over Duda for a roster spot at any time this year, it won’t be because of Valdespins’ superior patience or power. The Jordan-like former infielder has never walked at a league-average rate, and has only rarely managed league-average power. But JV does have some speed — he stole 33 bases in Double-A last season — and he does have some glove. Duda might be the worst defensive outfielder in the league right now, or he might just be really bad at defense. And this isn’t to slight him unnecessarily — dude laughed when I asked him about defense, and he knows it’s an issue that he has to work on. In any case, defense might matter here, and in real-life baseball, it could keep Duda from getting all the chances he can to show his true-talent power.

3) Power takes a really long time to stabilize.
Most research on the subject suggests that power takes almost a full year before it stabilizes. And that means that almost a full season of power only predicts future power at a 70% success rate. So it takes a while to know a player’s power. It makes sense intuitively — you can see balls and strikes way before you can discern a fat pitch and put a good swing on it — and the numbers agree. On June 1, Jose Bautista was hitting .223/.332/.447 and everyone was wondering about his power. I said in a chat that “he could hit three home runs this weekend” and all his power peripherals would look better. He hit three home runs that weekend, and his power peripherals looked better.

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Point is, whether you’re waiting on Bautista, Morrison, Duda, Albert Pujols or Adrian Gonzalez, power comes last. You never know if it’s not coming until you’ve spent all year waiting.

Maybe this is an argument that you should take no chances with your power, and spend your sleeper picks trying to find speedsters — that’s something worth debating — but when it comes to Lucas Duda’s true-talent power, we may still not now what the Ox can do. Good thing he has a little while longer to figure it out.. in the minor leagues.





With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

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Matt K
14 years ago

I thought Beato got demoted for Acosta, not Harvey. Duda is still up for demotion for Harvey.

soamx
14 years ago

I have Duda in 3 ottoneu leagues for $9, 11 and 13
I have been fine carrying him even though he’s overpriced because he’s actually a reliable platoon bat, but with him losing playing time and on the bubble for demotion it’s getting to the point where I might have to cut him for the extra savings and look for a more valuable player on the waiver wire.

NimzoMember since 2020
14 years ago

I’ve played Duda in 65 games in my OBP league, sitting him against most but not all lefties. Pro-rated, he’s on pace for 75 runs, 25 HR’s, 95 RBI’s, and .349 OBP for me. That is, he’s a decent lefty slugger. Seems like same old mets are just looking at his July numbers and ignoring the fact that he has a .192 BABIP.

BlackOps
14 years ago
Reply to  Nimzo

Except the same old Mets realize real baseball isn’t fantasy baseball. Defense matters. -37.4 UZR/150. -0.8 WAR this year.

Conor Fitzgerald
14 years ago

I think the lesson is when people like Eno and other writers start touting someone as a sleeper, they stop becoming a sleeper. Duda is a perfect example, was being drafted in the +300 range in early drafts (fair value it turned out). Then the hype machine started and by the time most people were drafting he was being taken around 190 (see Eno’s $15 bid as an example). It happens every year, writers say so and so is undervalued (usually because they are) they instantly become more expensive in drafts but writters keep writting about them as sleepers so they get even more expensive until they are actually overvalued.

The market is brutually efficent with these things. As soon as you say someone is undervalued, they stop becoming undervalued.

Bob
14 years ago

Good point. I find the inefficient part of the market usually isn’t young guys….it’s older players coming off a bad year/injury. Everybody gets excited about the young guys, because there is so much potential, whereas with the old guys, everyone is afraid they’re washed up. Guys like Shin Soo Choo and Johan Santana are the real sleepers, not the young guns.

Conor Fitzgerald
14 years ago
Reply to  Bob

Ya you’re right, young guys are almost never overlooked. I also don’t think most readers or writers realize that when someone is tagged as a sleeper, the market discrepency they are highlighting tends to dissapear. We all reading the same things more or less.

I think writers should write the ADP or $ price they are seeing when they they label someone a sleeper. That way when somone sees their value appreciate,l they know they information is stale.

Sean
14 years ago

Ike Davis struggled for much longer than Duda, but they never sent him down to the minors. Not sure why the quick trigger for Duda.

chri521
14 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Agreed his defense and offense both took massive steps backward, really hurting his confidence. Plus the only “real” CF besides Torres is Kirk who was the next logical demotion candidate. Kirk’s defense is at least solid, but his K% is absurdly bad and he really needs a stint in the minors to try and figure it out one last time, or else he’ll be nothing more than a defensive replacement platoon guy at best.

Todd
14 years ago

“Maybe this is an argument that you should take no chances with your power…”

Oh, I get it, so you should draft guys like Adam Dunn and Albert Pujols! No, wait… =P

soamx
14 years ago

Duda clearly is never going to be a good OF, wouldn’t be surprised if the Mets ship him to a team that will use him at 1B or DH since Ike is holding down 1B for years to come.

Stuck in a slump
14 years ago
Reply to  soamx

I really hope that the Indians take a chance on him since LaPorta hasn’t worked out and the team no longer trusts him.

gonetilnovember
14 years ago

hmmm. surprised to see no one posted yet that he has been demoted. guess i’m that person.

Brian
14 years ago

I’m sure Eno will get to it, as he posted over on Amazin Avenue about it.

Ian
14 years ago

You made me a Duda believer and I traded Matt Harrison and Worley for Duda in June — right as he really started going south. But the walks were still there… I didn’t get jobbed as badly as it looks on paper (deep staff, OBP league, plus uncapped IP head-2-head category gives more value to hitters.) Yeah, a definite loss but I saw where your thought process was coming from. I’ll try to temper my excitement for buzzworthy sleepers in the future — they certainly become overvalued quickly.

Jordan RosenblumFanGraphs Staff
14 years ago

Don’t beat yourself up too bad. Duda did in fact beat Logan Morrison in all relevant fantasy categories. The prediction was right, albeit maybe for the wrong reasons