Does Everybody Own Kyle Schwarber?
I’d like to thank everybody who participated in Monday’s Your Keeper Questions, Answered. As of now, the post has received 422 comments, about 150 of which are me responding to questions. After a jet lag fueled marathon session from 1 to 7 am on Tuesday morning, I’m about tapped out on keeper advice. Feel free to ping me on Twitter (@BaseballATeam) if I didn’t get to your keeper conundrum.
Today, let’s chat about a common keeper option. On the whole, FanGraphs readers appear to have been very likely to acquire certain fresh breakout stars like Mookie Betts, Kris Bryant, Jacob deGrom, and Jake Arrieta. One player who seemed to appear in every question was Kyle Schwarber.
When you have your options narrowed down to one of Betts or Schwarber, you know you’re in a fantastic position. In a perfect year, Betts could produce 50 HR+SB, over 200 R+RBI, and a .300 average. You almost have to keep a five category monstrosity like that, even if the end result is likely to be closer to 90/15/70/20/.290.
Schwarber by comparison profiles as a power and RBI guy. I picture the top of the Cubs lineup as some combination of Jason Heyward and Ben Zobrist with Anthony Rizzo third and Bryant fourth. That means Schwarber gets Bryant’s leavings in the fifth spot.
Only two factors favor Schwarber over a player of Betts’ ilk – position and cost. Schwarber is a catcher in most formats, and I’m fairly confident he’ll hang onto the eligibility for at least one more season. We’ll see.
Catcher isn’t actually thin this year. I’m comfortable with between 20 and 25 of the names at the position. However, Schwarber has one tangible quality that he shares with only Buster Posey – an every day role. Nearly all catchers will max out around 550 plate appearances. Only Posey (623 PA), Derek Norris (557 PA), and Salvador Perez (553 PA) crossed that threshold last season.
Managing games played for catchers can be a challenge, even in leagues with plenty of bench space. Most starting catchers get Sundays off (and any day game after a night game) which means you can’t just roster Brian McCann and Wilson Ramos to get to 162 games played. They’ll often share off days.
Schwarber will allow his owners to hack around this catching issue. Since he’s young and will mostly be an everyday outfielder, he should reach over 150 games played. If you platoon him between catcher and outfield with another actual catcher, you shouldn’t have a hard time maxing out catcher games. When is the last time you’ve done that (ottoneu excluded)?
For many of his owners, Schwarber’s keeper cost is more attractive than the alternatives. Bryant might take a third round pick, but Schwarber rarely costs more than a 12th rounder. In leagues with costs, one of the most difficult decision parameters revolves around the opportunity cost of taking the better player near cost or the lesser player at a big bargain. Few would argue that Schwarber merits a higher pick than Bryant, but the nine round differential in this hypothetical example may flip the analysis. I think it does.
And so, in most of my keeper responses, I recommended Schwarber. You’re all lucky to be in a situation where you’re deciding between two players of Schwarber’s ilk. There almost isn’t a wrong decision when the choice is a cheap Schwarber or a slightly less cheap Betts.
My only advice is to analyze your own strengths and weaknesses. If you’re constantly leaving games on the table with your catchers, then Schwarber is a great option. If you can usually manage more ordinary catchers successfully, then go ahead with the alternatives. If you’re considering an outfielder over Schwarber, how good are you at digging up value? If you routinely roster a Lorenzo Cain or David Peralta, then the opportunity cost may shift back in favor of Schwarber.
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I traded a keepable Schwarber for a Chris Archer rental before his second call up. Finished second but it will hurt watching him hit diners for someone else
I’m sure some people will think there’s a typo in that comment, but there’s not. Schwarber will routinely hit balls so far that they will leave whatever ballpark he’s standing in and hit some lucky customer in a nearby diner or other eatery.
ROFL.
As for a response to the title “Does Everybody Own Kyle Schwarber?”, I can say this: I’m in 3 keeper leagues and it would take a king’s ransom to acquire him. I’ve simply given up trying to get him.
ESPN has him as owned as Freddie Freeman.
I would trade Kyle Schwarber for Freddie Freeman in a second.
He’s definitely hitting the diners for two or three … it’s my main worry about him
The guy that has Schwarber in my league can’t shut the heck up about him. So there may be some confirmation bias at play.
i can not abide
I do!
fantasy-kyle or baseball player kyle
which one (or both) do you believe in?
I’ve got 5 keepers. Fernandez, Carrasco, Syndergaard, and Pollock are pretty well decided on, leaving me with a choice of Schwarber or Lindor.
I haven’t spent much time looking, but SS might be a bit shallower than C? I’m thinking Schwarber’s price will be higher on the draft than Lindor’s, especially given his postseason performance being in everyone’s mind. Categories are OBP, OPS, Es, HRs, and NSBs.
Now those are some odd categories. Double counting OBP. Kind of double counting SLG (OPS, HR). Errors? Yikes.
It’s yahoo, so we’re limited in what we can do advance stat wise. Double counting OBP is kinda fun though because it changes the types of players that are most valuable. And Errors, well, it’s either that or fielding percentage, and we wanted to have some sort of defensive component.
Some people just get lucky. I knew I wasn’t contending early and traded Posey / Hamels and covering their salaries for cheap (<$5) Pineda, Singleton, and Schwarber in early June before the call up. Schwarber wasn't my focus at the time but I figured I needed to raid the "close to majors" pantry.
I have Betts and Schwarber in a keep forever league. Lucky me. Traded Jose Fernandez for Betts and Springer 2 years ago.
Is no one concerned about Schwarber’s L/R splits? A platoon could be in order…
Need a lot more data before we can be concerned.
But does Joe Maddon?
The minor league data indicates that this has been an issue for some time. Schwarber’s quality of contact is similar against LHPs and RHPs, yet his rate of contact is substantially lower against left-handers. He strikes out considerably more often in large part due to a massive gap in contact %.
As a fantasy owner, I would sit him against lefties (and so have a backup catcher) until he figures it out. A 44% K-rate is alarming, even in a small sample of 61 plate appearances.
Not sure where jdbolick is getting his numbers but I’m coming up with a relatively consistent MiLB OPS rates of .961 v. LHP and 1.079 v. RHP. Contact rates are a bit more extreme at 29% K rate/11% BB rate v. LHP and 18% K rate and 17% BB rate v. RHP. This is for over 600 PAs or roughly one season of minor league PAs. If you add his MLB numbers, yes it gets worse but hardly seems to imply he’ll be completely helpless against LHP and it certainly doesn’t mean he’ll platoon, at least to begin the season. He’ll be allowed to play through any issues v. LHP until he proves himself capable (likely) or incompetent(unlikely), but I agree with Brad more MLB info is needed before we start throwing up huge red flags.
Going from 18%/17% to 29/11% is extreme and concerning.
kyle hit .215 in 58 games August to October, 35% K rate
can’t hit LHP so he won’t be hitting 5th vs LHP…either he sits or is buried in the lineup
he can’t catch at the ML level so he’s hidden in left, that is until a fly ball is hit out there
I bet he gets sent down at some point this season
And he hit a million homers in the playoffs… cherry pick stats, much?
If that’s the criteria I’ll take Daniel Murphy
I was just commenting on his last 167 AB
I only brought the playoffs up in retort to your original post. If you’re going to judge the guy for a portion of a half season because he struggled, then I’m going to give him extra points for all the bombs he hit in the playoffs. Surely if you’re here reading FanGraphs you understand small sample sizes and we need another 700 PA or so to have enough statistical evidence.
This is what has made discussion about Schwarber so interesting. The guy has qualities that look risky even as his actual rookie production in HR, R, and RBI was elite. Over 304 MLB PA, he has 24 HR+SB, 109 R+RBI, and a double digit walk percentage. McCann had 26/162 over the entire season. Joc Pederson 30/121. Carlos Gonzalez 42/184. JD Martinez 41/195. Never mind C, Schwarber’s 2015 production rate was good for an OF.
As far as real life, sure he could theoretically get sent down; he’ll only be 23. However, Schwarber was on pace for roughly a 4 WAR season in 2015. He’d have to have a remarkably terrible season for the Cubs to send him back to the minors for a significant chunk of time.
Or find his OF deficiencies start costing them games
one year before the 2015 playoffs kyle was in the
instructional league
there’s a reason (or two) for that
One reason is he was drafted in 2014.
Would you rather have Marte ($1) or Soler ($7) AND Gregory Polanco ($26) in a $1000 salary cap keeper league?
Marte. They’re basically all no cost with that cap. So the question is, would you trade Soler and Polanco for Marte? Absolutely, right?
I’m looking ahead to my keeper dilemma this spring, and I’d like some advice. It’s a 10-team, NL-only, 5×5 roto league with up to five keepers (which are your first picks).
On the hitting side, I have A.J. Pollock, Kris Bryant, Freddie Freeman, and Kyle Schwarber. My pitching is stacked with Arrieta, Harvey, and deGrom. So I’ll have to let at least two of the seven go.
I think the most obvious keeps are Pollock, Bryant, and Arrieta. It would be hard to keep all three pitchers in this format, which means Freeman and Schwarber are in play. But Freeman is on a terrible team (and his stats would not count if he’s traded to the AL), and Schwarber has a wide range of outcomes, so there’s a lot of uncertainty there. Pitching is fairly deep. How would you decide on five keepers?
Let Freeman walk. There’s too much power out there at 1B to be relying on Freeman to be your 1B. Believe me, I’ve owned him for 5 years in a keeper league, and while he gets a bunch of singles, his lack of power is extremely hard to make up for at other positions. Perennially over-ranked.
If you’re looking at a pitcher to let go, I think it has to be Harvey right? Arrieta is unhittable and Degrom has the egde over Harvey, for me.
I’d go Schwarber, Arrieta, and deGrom, but any 2 of the pitchers is fine.
I’m trying to trade Arrieta. He carried me to the finals last year but I’m wary of his health going forward. There really won’t be a better time to cash in on him.
my knees buckled at “arrieta is unhittable”
reminded me of that old SNL “Superfan skit” idolizing Mike Ditka
“what if Arrieta had to face Rizzo, Bryant, and Schwarber”
response: “Let us pray it never happens”
10 team H2H, I can keep up to 7 players or $100 worth of players. Which ever mark gets hit first. Here are my choices:
Stanton–$32
Pederson–$4
Correa–$3
Schwarber–$3
Rendon–$3
Odor–$3
Franco–$3
Pineda–$5
C.Martinez–$4
Salazar–$3
Stroman–$3
Iglesias–$3
Tough decisions. My team was out of it by the ASB last year, so I made some moves to stockpile as many cheap keeper options as I could.
So Stanton and Correa are the musts. I think Pineda, Iglesias, and Pederson are the obvious cuts. That leaves you with seven players for 5 spots.
One year only, equal cost. 12tm standard league. 1C;
Carrasco or Schwarber.
Gotta admit, the k-rate and platoon numbers v. LHP do scare me.
I think I’d take Schwarber just because SP are more plentiful. But there’s nothing wrong for going with the “safer” option.
I don’t see the first happening ever, the second would presumably require a change in the batting order, and the third is virtually guaranteed to happen at some point.
You don’t think Mookie could add 2HR and 9 SB to his totals from last year? That’s what it would take to get to 50 SB + HR. That hardly seems a stretch. Not happening ever seems a bit strong. I think it’s safe to assume that Mookie will likely reach or exceed that total in the very near future.
What are your guys’ thoughts on this keeper situation:
16 tm H2H points dynasty with 18 keepers. Players are in the slot of say rd 15 from the previous year can be kept in the 14th of the following year and so on for an unlimited number of years.
I could keep four of the following,
Devin Mesoraco……..7th round
Randal Grichuk……..12th round
Andrew Miller………13th round
Michael Conforto……15th round
Francisco Cervelli….16th round
Trea Turner………..18th round
Alex Cobb………….23rd round
I’m currently leaning Cobb, Conforto, Grichuk, and Miller (Pending a trade, Chapman suspension, or for 2017, as closers rack up a ton of points,). However I already have Betts in the 11th, Yelich in the 13th, Heyward in the 19th, and Soler in the 22nd. There are only 3 OF spots plus a two utility spots.
Thoughts?
Specifically on keeping the outfielders vs the catchers.
So yea, Cobb is the easy one and I’d probably do Conforto too. If you’re going to do a catcher, I think I’d go with Mesoraco since he has the much higher upside. Assuming it’s a 1C league, you can find a Cervelli type talent for free (nearly).
I think I’d do just one OF from the list you furnished. That leaves you to decide between instant gratification with Miller or long term comfort at a MI spot with Turner. To be clear, Turner’s probably never going to be a stud, but adequacy is acceptable in a league that keeps 288 players. Or you can keep both and opt for the replacement level catcher.
Yeah, I already have Russell and Zobrist in the middle inf positions.
Would love some opinions on my last keepers. 6×6 H2H (OPS, QS). Can keep any 7. I’m pretty undecided about my last 4.
Keeping for sure
Stanton
Cruz
Votto
Need to pick 4 from
Schwarber
Dickerson
Longo
Jose Reyes
Maikel Franco
Chris Archer
Carrasco
Syndergaard
Leaning toward Schwarber, Dickerson, Franco, and Archer. Any opinions pretty please?
Its worth adding this league streams a lot. 7 trans/week and 14 on 2 week match ups.
I’d Archer (safe) or Thor (upside). Carrasco, Schwarber, and Dickerson are also fine choices. If you’re thinking about more than just this season, I’d cut Cruz too.
I know you don’t want to hear a keeper question but your article got me thinking that there might be more value to Schwarber then I originally thought.
Schwarber in the 20th rd or
Marte in the 4th rd???
I have reservations about Marte that most in the industry don’t share. Even that has me thinking this is roughly a coin flip. Marte’s a 5 category Rnd 2 quality talent. Schwarber has a lot more flaws. I guess it comes down to what you think will be available in the draft. If you can get Marte or a similar player in the early rounds, it might be worth gambling on Schwarber.
keeper league. Schwarber for Starling Marte and Matt Harvey. Can keep marte/Harvey for 3 years. Schwarb for 6 years. what do you think?
The pair of 3s.
14 man 5×5 keeper league – 20rd draft
Keep max of 5 with every additional year 2 rounds added to the cost. Players drafted within the first 6 rounds of each draft can not be kept.
Options
1. Arrieta 5th round (can’t be kept next year)
2. K. Bryant 7th round
3. C. Mart 12th round
4. Buxton 15th round
5. Seager 16th round
6. Sano 18th round
Thinking of keeping all but Arrieta. We can trade keepers so i may try to package him to another team and upgrade on C. Mart.