Do Bad Teams Earn Good Saves Totals?

The Cubs are in trouble. Their lineup is pretty bad, their rotation only has a couple decent pieces, and their bullpen. Oh, their bullpen. By ERA, it’s only the eighth-worst pen in the league, but FIP (2nd worst) and xFIP (worst) tell a better story.

After Carlos Marmol blew up, they tried Rafael Dolis. His wildness relieved him of his duties around the same time the team decided Michael Bowden needed more time in the minors. Lefty James Russell and right Shawn Camp, both better cast as supporting, lower-leverage pieces in a better pen, are now sharing the role, with the also-underwhelming Casey Coleman looking in, ready for his chance.

Each update on the situation does goad reaction from the saves-hungry hoards, but there’s a more important question lurking behind. Should we care at all about messy situations like those in the Cubs pen right now?

This is a multiple-part question that needs more investigation, but step one is to look at the link between saves and winning percentage. Obviously, your team needs to win games to save any, but do more wins necessarily mean more saves?

Anecdotally, it seems like saves come out of bad pens. After all, the 2004 Diamondbacks lost 111 games, and Greg Aquino still managed decent ratios and 16 saves for them. Then again, not one pitcher logged as much as six saves for the record-holding 119-loss 2003 Detroit Tigers. So let’s run the numbers and find out how much of the variance in saves is explained by win percentage. Here is the relationship between saves and winning percentage for all teams in baseball since the free agency era begin in 1974:

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The line is nice and updward, and the p-value is less than .0001, but we knew that there would have to be a positive relationship between wins and saves, and we knew that they would be tied to each other. Again, you need a win to even have a chance at a save. The news here might be that the slope of the line is modest. The r-squared value here is .183, meaning that about 18.3% of the variance in saves can be explained by winning percentage.

If team winning percentage is only about one-fifth of the secret sauce for saves, how much should we think about bad teams? Plenty.

Look at the bottom of the chart. There are about as many losing teams with fewer than 20 saves than there are winning teams. Blowouts in either direction don’t produce saves. And the intercept is at 20, so even the worst teams can reasonably be expected to cobble together at least 20 saves chances. If all those saves go to one player, that’s a decent pickup. It looks like drafting a closer on a winning team versus one on a losing team is like getting a closer with 30-save potential versus one with 40-save potential, to reduce this to a slogan.

So, yes, bad teams earn enough saves to continue to track their bullpens. Next, we’ll have to find a way to examine bad pens on bad teams in particular, and maybe even look at what happens to a pen in which a lefty might be their best pitcher. Then maybe we’ll really know if we can look away from this particular bad bullpen and focus on more rewarding pursuits.





With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

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JuiceNewton12Member since 2023
13 years ago

Not meaning to nitpick, but it was the 2003 Tigers that lost 119 games.