Are Foul Balls Good or Bad?
I’ve had the question written on my whiteboard for ever: are foul balls good or bad? It’s a glass-half-empty, glass-half-full conundrum. The former group might think a foul ball is simply a barely-missed opportunity at in-play contact. The latter group might view that same event as a positive — that the poor quality of contact on a foul ball is indicative of an ability to induce poor contact quality in general, and it’s not inherently different from a swinging strike.
In my heart of hearts, it makes more sense to me that a foul ball is closer to in-play contact than not. Considering the diameter of both a bat and a ball, and the nearly physically impossible feat of connecting the two in motion, a foul tip has a margin of error of mere inches, whereas a swinging strike, fully sans contact, can have a margin of error measured in feet. Yes, it seems like getting a piece of the ball suggests, from the pitcher standpoint, makes the glass appear more half-empty than otherwise.
I wanted to finally tackle the subject, but I didn’t really know how. I first looked at the outcome of the pitch directly following foul and non-foul pitches, but it was a bit noisy (although, to be fair, I may have missed clear patterns in that noise). I imagine the effects spawning from a foul ball are not exclusive to the next pitch; rather, they may manifest two or three or even four pitches deeper into the plate appearance. In other words, a pitch-sequencing analysis might be prohibitively difficult, at least for someone like me who lacks the brainpower or mental stamina to pull it off.
Instead, I opted for something a little easier yet arguably just as telling. Using all Statcast data from the start of the 2017, I grouped every plate appearance into bins according to how many foul balls were generated in each. Then I looked at two very basic outcomes: strikeout rate (K%) and weighted on-base average (wOBA), expressed as averages within each foul ball bin.
The results, at first, were damning:
| # Foul | wOBA | K% |
|---|---|---|
| 0 | .368 | 12.0% |
| 1 | .288 | 31.3% |
| 2 | .258 | 39.9% |
| 3 | .283 | 38.5% |
| 4+ | .300 | 35.0% |
Pretty clearly, plate appearances with zero foul balls result, on average, in significantly lower strikeout rates and better hitter production. However, it occurred to me the results for plate appearances with zero foul balls would be biased by virtue of plate appearances ending before a pitcher even has a chance to strike out the hitter — that is, in two pitches or fewer. (Plate appearances with one foul ball likely face a similar bias, but less dramatically so, I presume.)
Accordingly, I removed all plate appearances that lasted less than three pitches, in order to implicitly allow pitchers the opportunity to strike out the hitter. It’s a small, imperfect adjustment, but it’s better than nothing. The results are shown below. (Note that, because plate appearances with two or more foul balls take at least three pitches to complete, the outcomes for these rows have not changed.)
| # Foul | wOBA | K% |
|---|---|---|
| 0 | .350 | 21.3% |
| 1 | .281 | 33.9% |
| 2 | .258 | 39.9% |
| 3 | .283 | 38.5% |
| 4+ | .300 | 35.0% |
Controlling for possible bias certainly helped pitcher outcomes for zero-foul-ball plate appearances, nearly doubling the strikeout rate and shaving a few ticks off the average wOBA. But, all told, it still appears, at this point, accruing at least one foul ball in a plate appearance is better than none.
Now, it’s possible that all foul balls are doing at this point is telling us the number of guaranteed strikes per plate appearances. With zero foul balls, a pitcher is guaranteed no strikes; one foul ball, at least one; two foul balls, at least two, and on the cusp of a strikeout. It’s no surprise pitcher strikeout rates escalate so rapidly from zero to one to two foul balls.
Alex Fast of PitcherList (with whom I ping-ponged ideas for this post) inquired what these numbers look like exclusively in two-strike and full counts. If we normalize the number of strikes (and balls) for each foul ball bin, it helps address the bias discussed in the previous paragraph.
Two-strike counts:
| # Foul | wOBA | K% |
|---|---|---|
| 0 | .319 | 33.8% |
| 1 | .290 | 35.5% |
| 2 | .287 | 37.3% |
| 3 | .298 | 35.5% |
| 4+ | .312 | 33.8% |
The outcomes are much more equitable this time around, although still slightly favoring one- and two-foul PAs. Interestingly, the relationship is slightly parabolic: outcomes improve through one and two foul balls but get slightly worse through three and four (or more) foul balls. The differences between bins may not be statistically significant, but if they were, it would suggest some element of tug-of-war in the power dynamics between the hitter and pitcher within the plate appearance.
Full counts:
| # Foul | wOBA | K% |
|---|---|---|
| 0 | .392 | 25.7% |
| 1 | .380 | 27.9% |
| 2 | .385 | 29.4% |
| 3 | .389 | 27.3% |
| 4+ | .414 | 28.6% |
All outcomes here are significantly worse given each plate appearance’s proximity to the issuance of a walk, but they seem to be more equitable than in any other cross-section of plate appearances. Granted, when you’re in a full count, all a foul ball is doing is letting you live to see another full count. Not sure how much meaning is found here.
Maybe the most important question is not related to two-strike counts and strikeouts. What happens when we look at some form of the inverse — say, hitter production on non-strikeout and non-walk plate appearances? In doing so, we’d be isolating all balls in play to find differences in hitter production.
| # Foul | wOBA | K% |
|---|---|---|
| 0 | .392 | 0.0% |
| 1 | .384 | 0.0% |
| 2 | .381 | 0.0% |
| 3 | .406 | 0.0% |
| 4+ | .403 | 0.0% |
The differences are so small, I would hardly say that foul balls are more valuable than not in terms of affecting hitter production on contact. The table above inherently includes two-strike counts, during which hitters are inherently disadvantaged. What about all counts with less than two strikes, regardless of plate appearance result?
| # Foul | wOBA | K% |
|---|---|---|
| 0 | .422 | 0.0% |
| 1 | .425 | 0.0% |
Effectively no difference.
So, where does that leave us? I thought a foul ball might be some kind of bad omen for a pitcher, as it suggests a hitter was closer to putting a ball into play than not. However, foul balls seem to have no discernible effect on a hitter’s contact quality. Furthermore, the gains a pitcher sees within a plate appearance generally disappear in two-strike counts.
Overall, the results suggests foul balls do little more than guarantee an extra strike for a pitcher, which inches the pitcher closer to a strikeout, with little influence on what might be called the “power dynamics” of the plate appearance. A foul ball does not put a hitter in more control; if anything, it puts the pitcher in more control, simply by virtue of having one more strike. The foul ball is effectively no different than a swinging or called strike until two-strike counts, in which the hitter stays alive.
Interesting. Boring, but interesting.
As a footnote, it’s worth noting that there are probably other (better) ways of looking at this. But from a high level, this approach fails to bring resolution to the half-empty/half-full quandary.
Have you looked at this at the pitcher level, rather than the PA level? There could be some macro trends around foul ball rate (in various contexts) and outcomes like strikeouts and contact quality.
Podhorzer’s expected strikeout equations (for pitchers) are another relevant data point: foul strikes are part of the regression equation that explains expected strikeouts (more foul strikes = more ks). The coefficient for foul strikes is smaller than for looking or swinging strikes, but it’s still significant. I’ve found similar in “prognosticating punch outs and passes” over at The Dynasty Guru. April foul strikes, swinging strikes, and looking strikes are all positive indicators of rest of season (post-April) pitcher strikeout rate–they each add predictive value.
In all, both pieces of research jive with yours — foul balls give somewhat of a bump to strikeouts. Thinking deeper, I think if you separated balls fouled back versus balls fouled forward (toward either foul line), I think you might find balls fouled back are much more of a positive for pitchers, while balls fouled forward are much more negative. I’m not sure baseball savant’s data allows this breakdown though.I’m thinking of just missed home run foul balls — those seem to be almost necessarily a positive for hitters considering how well hit they are.
There are hitters who have a knack for for fouling off good pitches – hitters’ strikes – that should otherwise be put in play. To me, these are missed hitting opportunities. and a negative outcome against the hitter. I would like to see this explored further.
On the converse, there are also hitters like Wade Boggs who were famous for their ability to foul of pitches almost indefinitely until they saw the pitch that they liked. These “super foulers” are probably responsible for the uptick in wOBA among 4+ foul balls.
I think to analyze foul balls, you need to rope in angle and velocity data. Does Statcast track foul balls? There’s a qualitative difference between balls that are smoked and land just outside the foul pole vs. weak pop-ups that squeak over the screen behind the plate and land in the first couple rows.
This is great stuff. I remember my non-saber, anecdotal thinking was that foul balls were bad for pitchers. Driving up pitch counts, negating potential swinging strikes or bad contact leading to outs. It *seemed* like prime Brett Gardner used to intentionally foul off good two strike pitches. I believe I asked this in a chat of Uncle Dave Cameron in like 2012 and he told me foul balls were all noise and probably didn’t benefit the pitcher or batter, so I moved along. This analysis seems to prove him right, but I still find the effort very fascinating.
I am not at all surprised that hitters start to excel with more and more foul balls after the second. I think it’s a skill to foul off pitches while waiting for something to crush.
Of course, I was at this game and saw HoJo do this: https://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/19/sports/yanks-get-hits-pitching-mets-just-hit-mets-10-expos-7.html
Foul balls are bad for the game. The most basic premise of baseball, if you tried to explain to a 5 year old, is “I’m going to throw you a pitch. If it’s a bad pitch, don’t swing. If it’s a good pitch, hit it between there (point) and there (point). If you can’t do that, you are out, and it’s the next person’s turn.”
“As long as you slightly tap the ball, you get to keep hitting” is counter intuitive to what the rules should be. If you are given a strike, you need to put it in play. If you can’t, you are out. Change the rules to 2 balls, take your base. 3 strikes and you’re out, including foul balls. It will encourage pitchers to throw strikes, and batters to hit them.
4 hour games are boring. 100 pitches by the 5th inning is boring. 10 strikeout games are boring. And there are a lot of them. Yesterday, 30 teams played. 15 of them struck out 9 times or more. 1/3 of outs were made via strikeout by 50% of teams. That’s boring.
5 pitches per batter. You’re either on or you’re out.
Is foul ball rate per swing available somewhere? I read somewhere that Adam Dunn in his terrible year fouled off a lot (like way more than 50% of his swings). Those foul balls of course lead to a lot of 1-2 and 0-2 counts which is of course bad. Of course foul balls with 2 strikes are good but generally it is better to put the ball in play when you swing, especially on fat pitches, fouling off “cookies” is really bad.
However there is also another side of the coin. DK willardson wrote in his book quantitative hitting that steeper barrel guys like trout have less weak contact and pop ups because the pointing down barrel means you hit oppo fouls if you are under it and not pop ups like flat VBA guys like bautista. In this case of course the foul balls are good because a 1-2 count is still better than a pop up.
So maybe ask dolinar on whether you can get foul ball rate for hitters and pitchers. You might get interesting results. I heard somewhere that Flaherty had higher K rates than his z contact and contact indicated due to a very high foul ball rate.
if Im trying to think if something is good or bad for a situation, I imagine if it went on forever. If a batter hit 100 foul balls in a row. That would obviously be good for the hitter. So I think its fairly clear and simple to be honest. Fouls balls are absolutely better for the hitting team for the vast majority of the time. The only time, maybe, that it isnt better is if its exactly 0-1.
Also, dont forget, a lot of this sort of granular analysis sometimes gets so minute that you lose the big picture. You arent trying to win the “next pitch” or even the AB. Youre trying to win the game. Part of that strategy means tiring the opposing pitcher/seeing more pitches and a foul ball does both those things. Models assume pitchers pitch the exact same on their first pitch as their 50th as their 120th, which we know is incorrect.
So I think a foul ball is always better for the hitting team, and the small increases you showed at certain counts dont equal the overall advantage you get from making the opposing pitcher throw another pitch.