An Exercise Featuring Cody Bellinger
I recently had a trade discussion in an ottoneu league (this isn’t an ottoneu specific article, bear with me). Anyway, I was trying to sell a veteran outfielder and a top pitching prospect for Cody Bellinger. Their salaries were about equal. My sales pitch: the veteran projects for a comparable FGpts total to Bellinger. The prospect pays for the nine year age gap. The offer was firmly declined. My sales pitch was roundly poo-pooed.
Let’s see what you think.
| Player | PA | HR | BB% | K% | BABIP | AVG | OBP | SLG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Bellinger | 548 | 39 | 11.7% | 26.6% | 0.299 | 0.267 | 0.352 | 0.581 |
| Mystery | 551 | 31 | 13.6% | 29.6% | 0.309 | 0.247 | 0.359 | 0.518 |
| Player | LD% | GB% | FB% | HR/FB | Pull% | Soft% | Hard% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Bellinger | 17.6% | 35.3% | 47.1% | 25.2% | 42.4% | 13.9% | 43.0% |
| Mystery | 20.3% | 38.4% | 41.3% | 24.6% | 45.4% | 16.0% | 41.5% |
Those are undeniably comparable batting lines. Both players were basically “new” in 2017 so this is the only relevant data available. Bellinger hit a few more fly balls and hence benefited from some extra home runs. However, we should expect his line drive and ground ball rates to each regress a modest amount. In this case, “regress” means a few more grounders and liners. That would put him on par with our mystery man, assuming we aren’t projecting batted ball regression for him too (we are).
Bellinger, it should be noted, has a 24.5 ADP in NFBC. The other guy? A 193.3 ADP. Clearly, there’s something “wrong” with our mysterious traveler. You know who it is, don’t you? How about now?
Mystery Flaw #1: Big platoon splits. He hit just .182/.270/.394 with a 8.1 percent walk rate and 36.9 percent strikeout rate against same-handed pitchers. Compared to .265/.382/.551, 15 percent walk rate, and 27.7 percent strikeout rate with the platoon advantage.
Mystery Flaw #2: He’s caught in a roster crunch. His team plans to rotate five star-quality players through four positions.
Mystery Flaw #3 (the reveal): Hit .345/.466/.810 with 11 home runs, a 17.5 percent walk rate, and 22.3 percent strikeout rate in 103 April plate appearances. Batted just .226/.335/.455 with 20 home runs, a 12.7 percent walk rate, and 31.3 percent strikeout rate over the next five months (448 plate appearances).
Yep, we’re talking about Eric Thames. By compressing so much of his production into April, he left his owners with a stale taste. I think we’re all a little confused on some level. That April probably isn’t repeatable. It has a once-in-a-lifetime feel to it. What about his September? He hit .328/.431/.574 that month. By bookending his season with two big months, he proved that his early-season surge wasn’t entirely a fluke. Well, maybe not proof, but it’s some kind of encouraging.
The platoon splits occurred in a very small sample. It’s possible he doesn’t have a platoon. It’s also possible that Bellinger, who didn’t show a platoon split last season, does actually have a split. This, by the way, is why thinking probabilistically is difficult.
However, Thames did show poorly in some indicators I track to test the potential realness of a perceived platoon – namely walk, strikeout, and ground ball rates against left-handed pitchers. Since the Brewers have the personnel to allow it, he’ll probably rarely start against southpaw pitchers. The lefty specialists he sees in the late innings will likely ensure continued struggles.
For what it’s worth, Bellinger did not show any issues with his walk, strikeout, or ground ball rates against lefties. He’s not automatically safe from platoon issues. I’m cautiously optimistic.
In most daily lineup leagues, this platoon discrepancy can be addressed through judicious use of your bench. At pick 193, you can get a seemingly more volatile facsimile of Bellinger who plays only 70 percent of the time. Cool.
Recall, injuries and fatigue clearly played a role in Thames’ mid-season performance. He complained about losing his legs in May, and other issues dogged him through the dog days. A fresher Thames, a Thames who spent the offseason better preparing his legs for the grind of MLB baseball, could very well operate at peak efficiency. That apparent volatility he showed by mashing in April and September could be a red herring.
Despite a loud coming out party last April, Thames might be the steal of the 2018 draft season.
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Who was the prospect?
Kopech. The owner in question has been begging me for him since I joined the league in November.
If the other owner communicated he really wants Kopech then I think you made a fair offer. I am a White Sox fan and my fear that his arm implodes would make me refuse the offer though.
That fear is mostly what makes him available. It’s a game of gambles.
Good discussion, but if you had Bellinger would you trade him for Kopech and Thames? I think your argument is that it is reasonable, but I doubt you would be likely to pull the trigger. Often the manager who gets the best player wins the deal, and it isn’t a sum of all the parts.
To be clear, I’m not criticizing the guy for not taking my offer. He wanted Kopech, I tried to come up with a scenario that made sense for me. I frankly don’t care about what makes sense for him – it’s his job to represent his interests, not mine. I wouldn’t be asking to buy Kopech so I very certainly would not take this offer.
What I wrote today was simply to share the similarities I found between 24.5th overall Bellinger and 193rd overall Thames.
TLDR: There’s a couple of guys who are clearly elite, because they have produced at an elite level for multiple consecutive years and give no other reason to doubt continued performance. then there’s about 250 guys for whom legitimate arguments exist that they are all pretty much the same… The fantasy baseball projected value curve looks a lot more like an L than a \”
Names.
I’m not sure the quality of owners in your league, but Thames doesn’t have the name power of Bellinger and his ROY award. I don’t think it’s right, but some owners value big names more.
its about risk. Thames may not have full time ABs this year, and pitchers are pitchers… they have health and performance risk. Brewers are too loaded with options to invest too much in any one guy now.
I have Thames in a dynasty league and feel decent about it. On a related note, I also have Braun. Last year, Braun was always in the lineup when Thames sat, and they were even playing different positions last year. In a dynasty league, Braun probably is pretty cheap, so acquiring the whole Thames/Braun 1b platoon is very affordable and could be 2nd round production at that spot, with lineup/matchup flexibility at another OF slot when both are in the lineup.
Looking at the stat lines, my first guess for the Mystery Man was a different Brewer. Domingo Santana is a poor man’s Bellinger, with room to grow and less of a platoon issue than Thames, although he also suffers a playing time crunch as long as he’s in Milwaukee.
Counterpoint: https://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/underrated-and-overrated-ryan-mcmahon-and-eric-thames-edition/
All due respect to Scott, I fail to see what McMahon being a potential breakout has to do with Thames. They shouldn’t be compared except to say that, if things work out sunny, McMahon could be like Thames.
I’m not sure how this league works exactly, but who are some of the players available in free agency? Thames with platooned at bats seems like a replacement level fantasy player to me.
Colby Rasmus, Seth Smith, and Howie Kendrick are some of the best available OFers.
Thames is very far from replacement level. He’s about a $25 player if you platoon him. A hair under $20 if you don’t.
Assuming that’s for Otto points, what would you expect his value to be in 5×5?
$5-20? By the time you’re looking to draft him, value is almost entirely based on roster composition. If you have Stanton, Judge, and Gallo, he’s almost worthless. If you have Turner, Dee, and Hamilton, he’s the best thing that could happen to you.
Wow, that’s a crazy lack of available outfielders, unless you’re much higher on those guys than I am. In my Ottoneu leagues there’s usually at least a few $10-15 veterans or bounce-back candidates available at most positions. Is it typical in your league for most/all of the decent options to be kept?
Oh, we’ve already drafted. I did get a few guys in the draft.
Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.