All Star Break Consensus Ranks: Outfielders
My ideal set of rankings has input from both human and computer sources. In our rankings, we have one set of ranks that are built on projections, meaning that overall our rankings are 25% computer. That’s low for me. But I know that our other three human rankers also use the computer projections to varying degrees, so the number is probably closer to 50% computer, which I like.
But, ostensibly, we have one computer ranker. Jeff Zimmerman uses a proprietary mix of ZiPs and Steamer projections, and then takes the plate appearance projections from our depth charts. Every once in a while a player won’t be updated on the depth charts — human error — but if we stay vigilant, this mix should produce the best computer-generated rankings you can find. The addition of depth chart information can do a lot to undo the biggest flaw in projections: they don’t always know who has the job.
One remaining avenue to deal with with respect to the computer rankings is what to do with the missing plate appearances due to projected injury. Zimmerman has done a lot to advance the state of injury projections, and some of that is now built into the various projections he uses. We know that past DL stints predict future ones, for example. And that age is a heavy factor. But once those PAs and IPs are gone, they can be replaced through the waiver wire.
That opens up a whole can of worms. Are we to give an injured player credit for the player that replaces him? Who will that replacement player be? Are you on weekly waivers, or daily? Do you have an FAAB? That would suggest that late-season injuries are more harmful to your team. Same for head-to-head leagues. Seemingly, we should ding a player for getting hurt a lot. But we should also maybe work on finding some way to replace back some of those missed innings and plate appearances with a replacement level number. We’ll work on that.
As for naming Zimmerman’s column something else, I don’t get it. We all use projections in the pre-season, should we just name our pre-season rankings after the projections we’re using? And even in-season, we’re looking at all the information we can. I’d hate to name my projections swSTR%GB%battedballdistanceBABIPspeed, for example. Jeff Zimmerman does the work, Jeff Zimmerman’s name is on the ranking.
So. Do we have some work we can do? Sure, we’ve been looking at replacement level. We need to make sure our depth charts are all updated going into ranking seasons. These rankings have been gradually evolving since we started them, and they will continue to do so.
But I would say we are well on our way to an ideal set of rankings from an ideological standpoint. At least my ideological standpoint.
I welcome discussion on a theoretical level. Every set of rankings ever is subject to arguments about single players. We won’t eradicate those discussions — they’re fun! — but they are not necessarily germane to the issue at hand.
Thanks for reading!
With the color-coding we hope to highlight the biggest movers. That definition changes as you follow the ranks down the list — players had to move more to register a color change as you near the bottom of the list. These are rest-of-season rankings for 5×5 roto. Jeff Zimmerman’s rankings are a combination of ZiPs and Steamer rest-of-season projections with playing time determined by our depth charts. You can find the projections on every player page and the depth charts here.
RG | Player | ES | JZ | MP | ZS |
1 | Mike Trout | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
2 | Carlos Gonzalez | 2 | 3 | 2 | 3 |
3 | Andrew McCutchen | 3 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
4 | Ryan Braun | 8 | 2 | 3 | 7 |
5 | Adam Jones | 4 | 5 | 7 | 6 |
6 | Chris Davis | 6 | 19 | 5 | 1 |
7 | Bryce Harper | 7 | 13 | 8 | 5 |
8 | Jose Bautista | 10 | 11 | 6 | 8 |
9 | Giancarlo Stanton | 5 | 8 | 10 | 14 |
10 | Justin Upton | 9 | 9 | 11 | 17 |
11 | Shin-Soo Choo | 12 | 12 | 18 | 9 |
12 | Jacoby Ellsbury | 11 | 15 | 9 | 19 |
13 | Adrian Gonzalez | 15 | 18 | 20 | 11 |
14 | Alex Rios | 19 | 17 | 17 | 12 |
15 | Matt Holliday | 20 | 16 | 12 | 18 |
16 | Jay Bruce | 14 | 14 | 16 | 28 |
17 | Jason Heyward | 16 | 28 | 14 | 20 |
18 | Matt Kemp | 23 | 24 | 15 | 25 |
19 | Yasiel Puig | 17 | 6 | 35 | 30 |
20 | Yoenis Cespedes | 18 | 26 | 13 | 31 |
21 | Allen Craig | 24 | 22 | 22 | 24 |
22 | Starling Marte | 13 | 10 | 27 | 43 |
23 | Nelson Cruz | 27 | 29 | 23 | 15 |
24 | Alex Gordon | 26 | 23 | 25 | 22 |
25 | Carlos Gomez | 25 | 38 | 24 | 10 |
26 | Carlos Beltran | 30 | 34 | 21 | 13 |
27 | Desmond Jennings | 22 | 21 | 26 | 34 |
28 | Hunter Pence | 31 | 25 | 33 | 23 |
29 | Austin Jackson | 34 | 33 | 32 | 21 |
30 | Michael Bourn | 21 | 20 | 43 | 37 |
31 | Mark Trumbo | 29 | 35 | 36 | 27 |
32 | Shane Victorino | 28 | 31 | 31 | 41 |
33 | Norichika Aoki | 35 | 30 | 40 | 33 |
34 | Michael Cuddyer | 31 | 39 | 34 | 35 |
35 | Ben Zobrist | 38 | 41 | 29 | 36 |
36 | Dexter Fowler | 37 | 44 | 48 | 16 |
37 | Nick Markakis | 39 | 46 | 37 | 29 |
38 | Josh Hamilton | 32 | 42 | 19 | 67 |
39 | Alejandro De Aza | 36 | 37 | 47 | 44 |
40 | Carl Crawford | 41 | 55 | 30 | 42 |
41 | Domonic Brown | 40 | 54 | 28 | 50 |
42 | Jayson Werth | 43 | 56 | 38 | 39 |
43 | Martin Prado | 44 | 47 | 52 | 38 |
44 | Melky Cabrera | 55 | 40 | 57 | 32 |
45 | Coco Crisp | 33 | 43 | 55 | 59 |
46 | Adam Eaton | 51 | 51 | 50 | 45 |
47 | Torii Hunter | 47 | 45 | 59 | 56 |
48 | Ichiro Suzuki | 56 | 32 | 45 | 76 |
49 | Alfonso Soriano | 49 | 48 | 49 | 65 |
50 | Curtis Granderson | 42 | 49 | 39 | 83 |
51 | Brett Gardner | 50 | 58 | 44 | 61 |
52 | Nick Swisher | 54 | 60 | 46 | 58 |
53 | Wil Myers | 57 | 57 | 68 | 40 |
54 | B.J. Upton | 48 | 36 | 41 | 101 |
55 | Adam Dunn | 53 | 53 | 60 | 60 |
56 | Matt Carpenter | 46 | 89 | 65 | 26 |
57 | Michael Brantley | 45 | 50 | 66 | 66 |
58 | Matt Joyce | 52 | 68 | 74 | 48 |
59 | Josh Reddick | 65 | 70 | 62 | 54 |
60 | Gerardo Parra | 66 | 62 | 70 | 55 |
61 | Todd Frazier | 60 | 72 | 53 | 68 |
62 | Lorenzo Cain | 59 | 75 | 42 | 79 |
63 | Jon Jay | 74 | 59 | 78 | 46 |
64 | David Murphy | 62 | 77 | 63 | 62 |
65 | Nate McLouth | 69 | 98 | 51 | 47 |
66 | Garrett Jones | 61 | 61 | 95 | 57 |
67 | Leonys Martin | 64 | 82 | 56 | 72 |
68 | Colby Rasmus | 67 | 64 | 81 | 63 |
69 | Marcell Ozuna | 58 | 67 | 88 | 77 |
70 | Jason Kubel | 70 | 79 | 58 | 87 |
71 | Logan Morrison | 63 | 96 | 84 | 51 |
72 | Andre Ethier | 68 | 65 | 77 | 91 |
73 | Carlos Quentin | 71 | 88 | 73 | 69 |
74 | Dayan Viciedo | 80 | 69 | 61 | 98 |
75 | Chris Carter | 81 | 74 | 76 | 78 |
76 | Daniel Nava | 78 | 120 | 64 | 49 |
77 | Michael Morse | 72 | 90 | 54 | 99 |
78 | Raul Ibanez | 79 | 121 | 67 | 52 |
79 | Denard Span | 82 | 76 | 80 | 82 |
80 | Brandon Moss | 90 | 86 | 75 | 71 |
81 | Andy Dirks | 73 | 92 | 87 | 89 |
82 | Michael Saunders | 83 | 94 | 69 | 95 |
83 | Nate Schierholtz | 89 | 103 | 100 | 53 |
84 | Drew Stubbs | 92 | 81 | 72 | 107 |
85 | Eric Young | 76 | 113 | 71 | 96 |
86 | Cody Ross | 84 | 78 | 112 | 88 |
87 | Peter Bourjos | 88 | 83 | 101 | 92 |
88 | Will Venable | 87 | 73 | 96 | 110 |
89 | Justin Ruggiano | 88 | 66 | 79 | 117 |
90 | Juan Pierre | 89 | 52 | 94 | 116 |
91 | Delmon Young | 90 | 85 | 89 | 90 |
92 | Oswaldo Arcia | 75 | 104 | 116 | 73 |
93 | Darin Ruf | 76 | 121 | 85 | 64 |
94 | Cameron Maybin | 86 | 71 | 98 | 118 |
95 | Lucas Duda | 91 | 93 | 97 | 103 |
96 | Kelly Johnson | 92 | 107 | 108 | 70 |
97 | Aaron Hicks | 77 | 116 | 82 | 109 |
98 | David DeJesus | 78 | 84 | 106 | 100 |
99 | Gregor Blanco | 97 | 121 | 93 | 86 |
100 | Ryan Doumit | 98 | 102 | 86 | 112 |
101 | David Lough | 85 | 121 | 103 | 93 |
102 | Chris Denorfia | 86 | 100 | 118 | 74 |
103 | Seth Smith | 87 | 114 | 102 | 75 |
104 | Trevor Plouffe | 95 | 95 | 109 | 108 |
105 | Josh Willingham | 96 | 91 | 104 | 102 |
106 | Evan Gattis | 97 | 121 | 91 | 81 |
107 | Chris Young | 98 | 105 | 105 | 106 |
108 | Rajai Davis | 99 | 80 | 107 | 121 |
109 | Ben Revere | 100 | 97 | 121 | 97 |
110 | J.D. Martinez | 96 | 99 | 110 | 121 |
111 | Jarrod Dyson | 97 | 115 | 113 | 84 |
112 | John Mayberry | 98 | 117 | 83 | 111 |
113 | Dustin Ackley | 99 | 87 | 121 | 121 |
114 | Kensuke Tanaka | 100 | 121 | 121 | 80 |
115 | Travis Snider | 101 | 101 | 99 | 121 |
116 | Emilio Bonifacio | 94 | 112 | 114 | 121 |
117 | Mike Carp | 95 | 119 | 121 | 85 |
118 | Jose Tabata | 93 | 109 | 120 | 121 |
119 | Tyler Colvin | 94 | 110 | 121 | 121 |
120 | Billy Hamilton | 95 | 121 | 121 | 115 |
121 | Chris Parmelee | 96 | 121 | 121 | 120 |
Also ranked once were Engel Beltre, Jeff Francoeur, Corey Dickerson, Jeff Kobernus, Endy Chavez, Xavier Paul, Brett Jackson, Scott Hairston, Chris Heisey, Jonny Gomes, Jason Bay, A.J. Pollock and Franklin Gutierrez.
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Carlos Gomez has been playing at this level for about 185 games now. Ridiculously under rated.
I don’t believe in his batting average, but yeah even then I could have put him anywhere from 18 to 25, which means he could have moved into the top 20. Obviously the power and speed are real.
But still lower than Heyward?
From July last year to July this year, Gomez hit .292/28 HRs/49 SBs/100 runs.
At what point to people start believing? You think he should be top 20?
Ummm…how bout top 5.
Last calendar year split on our site produces a .288 average with a .335 BABIP and a 22.4% strikeout rate. Only Chris Davis has a better batting average with a worse strikeout rate, and he still gets doubt. And BABIP takes 2.5 years to stabilize. And his career BABIP is .310. So, no, I don’t believe in the batting average right now.
Ok so let’s say he’s a .275 hitter. If that goes with ~25-30 HRs, ~100 runs, ~40-50 SBs, he’s still an elite, top 5 OF.
Zach agrees.