Buying Generic: Two Raking Rookies
A few weeks ago, I stole RotoGraphs contributor Joe Douglas’ idea (with his permission) as I pointed out that the “generic” Tommy Pham had provided surprisingly similar offensive production in his career to the “brand name” Michael Conforto. It was a fun exercise, and one that we’re going to do again today.
To set the stage, we’re going to talk about two rookies with outfield eligibility. One receives plenty of attention and hype; the other, not so much. Mr. Generic debuted in 2016 but is still considered a rookie this season, while Mr. Brand Name debuted in 2017. Here’s how they’ve fared so far this year:
| Name | PA | BB% | K% | ISO | BABIP | AVG | OBP | SLG | wOBA | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mr. Brand Name | 210 | 10.0% | 30.5% | .367 | .283 | .261 | .333 | .628 | .388 | 144 | 1.8 |
| Mr. Generic | 199 | 6.0% | 27.6% | .266 | .378 | .310 | .352 | .576 | .386 | 141 | 1.2 |
The first thing that jumps out is the nearly 100-point difference in BABIP, and the fact that Mr. Generic’s BABIP is perhaps unsustainably high. More about that in a minute.
Also notice that both players have roughly the same wOBA and wRC+. They’ve had almost the same amount of plate appearances, too, and the 0.6 difference in WAR can be accounted for mostly because of defense and baserunning. While Mr. Brand Name gets most of the love, Mr. Generic has provided just as much offensive production in 2017.
The real concern is that BABIP for Mr. Generic. It seems like he may due for some serious regression in that department, which threatens the the legitimacy of this comparison. However, looking at each player’s RoS Depth Chart projections, which averages Steamer and ZiPS with playing time adjustments made by FanGraphs staff, we see the following:
| Name | PA | BB% | K% | ISO | BABIP | AVG | OBP | SLG | wOBA | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mr. Brand Name | 290 | 9.3% | 28.6% | .239 | .283 | .240 | .312 | .478 | .333 | 1.1 |
| Mr. Generic | 349 | 6.4% | 24.9% | .188 | .333 | .273 | .322 | .461 | .334 | 1.0 |
While the BABIP for Mr. Generic is expected to decline, Mr. Brand Name is projected to lose over 100 points off his isolated power and 150 points off his slugging percentage. Overall, they’re projected to produce pretty much the same wOBA for the remainder of the year.
Who are these mysterious rookies? Time for the big reveal: Cody Bellinger is Mr. Brand Name, and Trey Mancini is Mr. Generic.
Bellinger is just 21 years old, and he’s hit 19 home runs is his first 50 games. He consistently dominated in the minor leagues, and it wouldn’t be a big surprise if he goes on to have a fabulous career, especially in the power department.
Mancini, meanwhile, is 25 years old, and he also dominated at every level of the minor leagues. The BABIP will likely fall, but he’s still projected to be an above-average hitter in a hitter-friendly ballpark, and there’s value to that.
The younger (and more powerful) Bellinger probably has the higher ceiling. If he continues to hit homers at this ridiculous pace, the projections will adjust, and he’ll clearly be the better bet moving forward.
The point, however, is that Bellinger and Mancini have produced roughly the same value on offense this season, and that the projections forecast more of the same RoS. This is particularly relevant in fantasy leagues that use linear weights to reward offensive contributions, instead counting stats like home runs and runs batted in.
In so-called points leagues, Mancini has been Bellinger’s equal this year, and the projections suggest it could be pretty close for the remainder of the year as well.
As more and more fantasy teams are falling out of contention and deciding to sell, it may be wise not to buy the brand name Bellinger, but to buy generic the Mancini (then use the savings on something else). While Bellinger may have more hype and upside, he and Mancini seem to be more similar than people realize.
All stats as of June 19 (before games).
Ben Kaspick is the host Locked On Giants, a daily San Francisco Giants podcast on the Locked On Podcast Network. Follow him on Twitter/X @BenKaspick.
Is there a mistake in the babips in the first table?
I don’t think so. What are you seeing? All stats are as of June 19 before games.
Why would brand names babip be unsustainably high at .283? Am I reading it wrong?
Looks like I messed up the text. The table is right. Sorry for the confusion. Fixed.
You mixed up your “Brand Name” and “Generic” labels in the third and fourth paragraphs.
I believe he’s referring to a typo in the following sentence, swapping “brand name” for “generic”.
Is this exercise really useful? Pham has been awful despite a normal looking BABIP since that post. Conforto has had a below average BABIP and has still posted a higher wRC+ and has walked a ton. Generic was the wrong way to go.
Regarding Bellinger and Mancini, Mancini has a big ISO drop off as well. Is there any reason to believe in the projected BABIP for Mancini? I don’t see anything in his batted ball profile that looks like it warrants an above or below average BABIP, making me question the projections. I just worry that this is Pham Comparison 2.0 in that there is not nearly enough of a caveat about downside, or that the downside could be normal after regression sets in.
it’s only been three weeks; small samples are still small even when they track with what you’re expecting
the knock on pham has generally been that he hits the ball hard but Ks too much, but in june his K and BB rates are both better than they were in may; he’s just suddenly stopped hitting for any power
pham said lately he’s having trouble elevating the ball, hitting too many hard grounders and he’s not sure why, working on figuring it out
but he had top tier exit velo the last two years running, and year over year his O-swing% has gone from 27% to 25% to this year’s incredibly good 19%
combine that trend with his power hitting ability, which probably hasn’t simply gone away in spite of this lull, and imo it’s not a good time to give up on him. even though the cardinals might
put another way:
pham in june: .218/.328/.309, K% 23, BB% 13
conforto in june: .176/.364/.294, K% 26, BB% 18
not some radical contrast. also it’s three weeks
two games later, an updated june report:
pham: .246/.338/.462, 24% / 11%
conforto: .167/.366/.278, 27% / 18%
now personally, i think conforto’s back is tweaked and these numbers don’t mean much. but, also, pham’s fine
I like that Mancini is not selling out for power – 5 of his 12 HR’s so far have been to the right of center. His 96.7 mph FB/LD exit velocity is also in the top 25, tied with Ozuna and Harper. Looks like the power is real. He might only be a ~2 win player in real life but could be much more valuable in the fantasy version.
Boom boom is now getting regular playing time, Buck was really jerking him around early in the season and it was hard to roster him.
But now hes an everyday guy and 1B/OF eligible as well in most leagues.