2015 Roto Overhyped Pitcher
The best of, worst of awards continue this week along with a spotlight on fantasy baseball’s catcher landscape in 2015. Last week, I awarded the 2015 Sigh Young — fantasy baseball’s biggest pitching bust — to Jeff Samardzija, who miserably underperformed expectations en route to a pretty awful season.
The 2015 Roto Overhyped Pitcher award is a bit different and probably more subjective. Rather than simply be bad, a pitcher must have also been over-hyped. Too much hype typically occurs for two reasons, neither of which are mutually exclusive:
- The pitcher was once a top prospect
- The pitcher broke out, or turned the corner, the previous season
A few guys fit the bill this season, but I want to get my honorary mentions out of the way first.
Jered Weaver and his slow fastball (or, perhaps, a fast slowball) have been around the block once or 10 times, somehow scrounging together fantasy value for teams despite his fly ball tendencies. It’s not 2015 was his death knell, although it very well may have been; it’s just that there’s so much young, elite talent coming into the game that there was no reason to rely on the old man for his services. Given his declining velocity and strikeout rate, his average draft position (ADP) of 36th represented a ceiling rather than a mean. That he declined the way he did only further underscores the point.
Gio Gonzalez has been starting full-time for six years. He also didn’t really have a bad year, according to his peripherals — his ground ball rate shot above 50 percent for the first time in his career, which would have been a boon to his value were it not for a .341 batting average on balls in play (BABIP). When it comes down to it, he simply walks too many hitters to be valuable among said pool of young, elite talent that brings strikeout upside with above-average or plus control. Like Weaver, Gonzalez’s ADP of 29th offered zero upside.
With the honorable mentions out of the way, here’s my 2015 Roto Overhyped Pitcher ballot.
5. Julio Teheran, ATL
17th ADP, 64th EOS (end of season)
Teheran is a debatable inclusion here in light of the aforementioned criteria. Thing is, Teheran dominated for two years before suddenly losing control and ballooning his walk rate. The hype was understandable, and it would have been difficult to foresee his collapse. He still generated enough value in deep leagues to not be a total bust, but he definitely disappointed.
Hitters took advantage of Teheran’s off-speed stuff, which may have dampened the effectiveness of his fastball, too. He evaded the zone more often than ever, and hitters laid off his outside pitchers more than ever. It wasn’t a disaster in absolute terms, but it was relatively. I’m no expert, but he needs to refine his off-speed offerings to capture his early-career success.
4. Alex Wood, ATL/LAD
26th ADP, 73rd EOS
Like Teheran — aside from being a Brave at one point — Wood parlayed a solid 2013 debut to an even better 2014 campaign. And, like Teheran, it would have been hard to predict such a sharp decline in an important statistic — in this case, Wood’s strikeout rate. Wood’s trajectory was a little different, however, given his time spent in the bullpen before shuffling into the rotation. It may seem like enough, but even 35 starts can be too small a sample to accurately capture a player’s true skill level.
That doesn’t mean I think 2015 Wood is the true Wood. However, according to PITCHf/x, Wood started throwing a two-seamer (1) pretty regularly and (2) 1.4 miles per hour slower than his 2014 fastball. It likely explains the declining value in his fastball; with a 5.5-percent swinging strike rate (SwStr%), the two-seamer simply isn’t effective. It may be a classification error, but if not… from one Alex to another: lose the pitch.
3. Phil Hughes, MIN
33rd ADP, 102nd EOS
Here you go. Here’s your quintessential turned-the-corner guy. Hughes used to give up home runs like it was his job — to be clear, it’s an occupational hazard, but, well, you know — while barely making it through the fifth inning. Then, upon being traded to the Twins and away from dastardly Yankee Stadium, he magically shaved down his walk rate and stopped giving up long bombs away en route to a 16-win, 5.8-WAR season.
Then, like clockwork, Hughes failed to pitch a full season. He started giving up home runs again. In his defense, his walk rate remained elite, but then the strikeout rate caved. Like the latter two kids, the precipitous drop would have been hard to predict. But after years of mediocrity, we gave the guy way too much for credit for reaching 200 innings, and we gave Target Field way too much credit for keeping fly balls in the park in 2014. Sometimes, fantasy baseball memories can be very short.
2. Doug Fister, WAS
35th ADP, 173rd EOS
Fister has had the luxury of pitching for (purportedly) good teams, but the wins column is a shaky foundation upon which to predicate value. An uncharacteristically low .262 BABIP and an inexplicably high 83.1-percent left-on-base rate (LOB%) masked a preposterously low strikeout rate, no matter how good the walk rate (BB%) was.
The BABIP, LOB% and BB% all regressed and the strikeout rate didn’t rebound, hanging Fister out to dry for 86 innings of 4.60 ERA baseball. His departure from the rotation was somewhat unexpected, but with Tanner Roark lurking in the shadows, it wasn’t entirely surprising. (Joe Ross superseding both Roark and Fister with such success for an extended period of time was far more surprising to me.) Like Weaver, Fister was destined for disappointment at his draft price.
And your 2015 Overhyped Pitcher is…
1. Andrew Cashner, SDP
39th ADP, 148th EOS
A first-round pick in the 2008 draft, Cashner had “stuff.” At the risk of showing my age, I was young back then, but I recall the hype about his velocity. He had promise, and for years, prospectors waited on it.
Except it never showed up. Kind of like the contemporary Nathan Eovaldi, Cashner’s heat was, for whatever reason, not as effective as it should’ve been. He only struck out hitters at remotely remarkable levels in small samples. Still, prospectors gobbled it up.
It took three Major League partial seasons for him to stick in a rotation for a respectable amount of time — and when he finally stuck, he struck out 6.58 hitters per nine innings (K/9). Sure, the ground ball rate was nice. And the BABIP could have been for real, but maybe I’m projecting now. By this time, the velocity over which everyone drooled had long since departed, dipping to a good-but-not-great 94.9 mph.
Then the injury bug bit Cashner again in 2014. Moreover, he didn’t really improve at all. He was 28 years old and had thrown all of 409.2 innings across five Major League seasons. Frankly, I don’t know what everyone expected.
Still, they, whoever they are, expected it, I guess. Y’all drafted him 39th among pitchers overall despite never pitching more than 175 innings in a season, despite not striking out more than seven hitters per nine.
I guess Cashner showed me wrong, because he threw 184 innings and achieved an 8.04 K/9 — decent stuff for a guy finally making good on yesteryear’s promise. Still, he averaged fewer than six innings per start, his walk rate spiked and his BABIP regressed way past the mean. Worse yet, given his swinging strike and contact rates barely budged, I’m inclined to think the strikeout rate spike is a mirage. Inefficient innings will do that.
Luck wasn’t on Cashner’s side in 2015, I know. The BABIP and LOB% hurt him, as did what seems to be a slightly inflated ratio of home runs to fly balls (HR/FB) despite career-best hard-hit and pull rates (Hard%, Pull%). And with only six wins on the season, there’s no doubt the baseball gods smited Cashner this year.
But that’s not the point. The point is: Why? Honestly, 39th? Over Michael Pineda? Jose Quintana? Scott Kazmir? John Lackey, he who rose from a phoenix’s ashes in 2013? Why? What was I missing? What am I still missing?? Please, someone tell me.
It’s not like I’ve had that chip on my shoulder a long time or anything… Anyway…
Who’s your 2015 Roto Overhyped Pitcher? Think I missed anyone?
Can’t argue with Cashner. Others for consideration: Yordano Ventura and James Shields.
I’m inclined to agree on Ventura; didn’t target him in any drafts. He did improve on last year, and the GB% is pretty flashy, but I’m still underwhelmed.
Mike was high on Cashner’s potential K rate and ERA near the end of last season.
When asked, he advised me to hold on to him in our keeper league even after I mentioned that I couldn’t get anything for him in trade.
Fortunately for my team, I dropped him anyway and picked up Danny Salazar.
I think that’s everyone. Good article.
Haha, I legitimately considered including Stras. I think he was more overrated before than he is now, though, given the strides he’s made re: K% and BB%. But it seems like health will always be an issue, and BABIP may be, too.
I can think of one or two more guys, myself.
You can’t win all the awards, Jeff!
It’s pretty hard to say that Strasburg “broke out or turned a corner” in 2014. Modulo the caveats about injury that follow every young pitcher, Strasburg has basically lived up to the hype–not even Kershaw has a better xFIP since 2010.
I disagree. If I drafted Cashner, I would be happy that he gave me 184 IP with a 3.8 xFIP. That’s a season of usable pitcher at least.
Your league uses xFIP?
Tou-che. His WHIP would have killed you, but the strikeouts and health do support a case for him NOT being #1 here.
His xFIP among qualified starters is 40th, conveniently. But I could have easily found better (with the same number of innings) off of waivers later (Hendricks, Hammel, Happ…) or pieced together a starter using any combination of elite relievers (non-closers) plus guys like Raisel Iglesias, Joe Ross, Patrick Corbin… the list goes on.
Also, he was healthy this year, but given a long history of injuries and averaging roughly 150 innings the prior two years… I don’t know.
Cashner’s problems were two fold..
#1 – maybe worst outfield defense ever assembled behind him with a mediocre infield defense
#2 – His sick mother which disturbed him all season which affected him more than the garbage defense
I fully believe if mother gets better, he will move back to a top 50 pitcher.
I read “long bombs away” and knew exactly what the link was to.
Cashner should be number one.
The Padres lost the Rizzo/Cashner trade by a ton.
Anibal Sanchez. Blech.
Sanchez was horrible. I know, he did great damage to my fantasy baseball team waiting for a return to normalcy that never arrived. Yet overhyped is not the right category. Sure fits biggest bust category.
Good list. Looks like you got the distinction between overpriced and overhyped just about right.
Perhaps Fister is a bit more in the overpriced category, but the others are solid.
Teheran keeps showing up on disappointment lists and rightfully so, but he was really two pitchers this year thanks to ridiculous platoon and home/road splits. While he was not the rotation mainstay I had envisioned, he was certainly valuable once I caught on ans started using him exclusively during home starts. He was also significantly better in the second half in terms of Ks and ERA. I’m still mad at him, but maybe not mad enough for top 5 consideration.
I’d like to submit Drew Hutchison in his place. More of a sleeper to start the season but appears to have crapped the bed in his sleep instead.
Teheran ended up being a good waiver wire pickup.
YES! Fangraphs writers tended to be all over Hutchison, which convinced me to draft Hutchison and keep pitching him. He went to the MINORS after starting on opening day. Can’t argue with the guys who are here, but if we’re talking about HYPE and not banking on already-established results, then Hutchison’s gotta be there.
I like the Hutchison call, but given his ADP (somewhere in the 60s-70s), he seems more like an overhyped sleeper. Probably wasn’t too costly a gamble. But boy, did he stink.
My pick was Jordan Zimmerman….last two starts against the Phillies, six earned each time.
He falls into the overpriced rather than overhyped category I think.
J Zimm is already established ( post-hype ). I think Cashner hits the sweet spot as the new “it guy” who wasn’t.
Tossing Marcus Stroman’s name onto this article, not because I believe he belongs in the conversation, but so that when someone Control-F’s the article, it gets at least one hit.
Danny Salazar, see above.
Brandon McCarthy, see above.
Thinking about this a little more and you could put any of the Red Sox opening week starters on this list. They were barely hyped, but even being projected as adequate turned out to be a huge miss.
They were the favorites to win the division back in April.
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Rick Porcello absolutely has to be here. All I heard about the Red Sox this off-season was how analysts and skeptics were favoring them to win it all, and how Porcello would just transform into an ace overnight. He sucked pretty much all season long except for in September, and it’s hard for me to imagine another SP’s draft value falling off as greatly as his (Although to be fair I don’t believe he was any more than a late round pick in most leagues.)
I overvalued the Red Sox offense, but I was never on board with that rotation. Simply awful aside from Buchholz. Their success was conditional upon their ability to do what the Jays actually accomplished: mash in spite of a thin rotation. Mash, they did not.