Troy Tulowitzki’s Fantasy Trade Value
On Friday, Dave considered Troy Tulowitzki’s trade value in the real world, and today I want to consider his trade value in the fantasy world. As Dave noted, Tulo, who is off to a slow start, still has fairly rosy projections and is a good bet to bounce back. Specifically, his home run per fly ball rate is basically a third of his career rate, and his a rough strikeout and walk rates are too far out of line with his norm to continue.
He probably has at least 15 home runs left in his bat this year, if not 20. And while he may end up with the worst strikeout and walk rates of his career, it’s unlikely they’ll end up being significantly worse than they’ve ever been. You can expect him to be much more helpful in average and/or OBP going forward.
Now that we’ve established Tulo isn’t a dog (tough, I know), what’s his trade value?
Complicating the issue is a quad aggravation that kept Tulo out of the lineup both Saturday and Sunday this weekend. That little “DTD” next to his name on your fantasy platform probably made you say “here we go again.” But ZiPS and Steamer both have Tulo projected for less than 400 plate appearances from here on out, so some time missed is baked into his projection. Considering Tulo could potentially be back in the lineup on Monday, my valuation of him isn’t that much different than it was when I woke up on Friday.
But other owners may be spooked by the day-to-day status, and that could provide an opportunity to buy low on Tulo. You run the risk of insulting someone who drafted Tulo in the second round by offering a trade in which you would acquire Tulo, but the injury issue makes it possible that some owners would be willing to deal him. But for whom?
The most interesting name is Marcus Semien. Semien has been the top shortstop so far according to ESPN’s player rater, and I wonder if some Tulo owners would deal him for Semien right now. To be extremely clear, I do not think a majority of Tulo owners would do so. But 10 percent of Tulo owners? Maybe. If nothing else, making a one-for-one offer could start a discussion that leads to a deal with a few other pieces involved.
If for whatever reason you might be hesitant to offer Semien for Tulo, the difference in projections between the two is pretty significant. As an example, Steamer has Tulo ranked as the 37th best hitter from here on out and Semien ranked 111th (using the z-score method). Outside of steals, Tulo has the edge on Semien in every category with a big projected gap in their batting average and OBP. The projections also have Semien maintaining all of the gains he has made so far with his strikeout rate and improving his walk rate. If his skills don’t live up to those expectations, the gap would be even wider.
Another interesting case study involving Tulo cropped up in my 10-team H2H keeper league with friends from my home town. It’s a league that plays for virtually no money, and I have won the league more than anyone else including a win last year, so bragging rights aren’t a huge concern for me. That said, I want to own Carlos Correa. I’m a huge Astros fan, and I want to own they guy who may potentially be my favorite player.
I stupidly used my late-round, potential keeper picks on Joey Gallo and Jose Fernandez. Correa ended up not being drafted, but I was too busy playing DFS early in the year to realize I should add Correa in mid-April. As a result, I’m left to trading to acquire my new love. The owner who has Correa is a perennially good owner who currently sits in first place. His one weakness happens to be shortstop as Xander Bogaerts is his starter there for the moment. Given his position in the standings and his weakness at short, I assumed the overpay of my Tulo for his Correa would be a no-brainer for him.
When I drunkenly suggested the trade to my Twitter followers last Friday night, I was almost universally chastised. Rightly so, but I’m freely admitting this decision was not being made with my head but with my heart. But as dumb as I was accused of being, the Correa owner said no to a straight up Tulo-for-Correa swap. That was pre-Tulo injury news, and talks further devolved once that news broke on Friday night. Maybe this little scenario says more about Correa’s perceived keeper value than it does Tulo’s, but I thought it was worth mentioning.
Case studies aside, the projections have Tulo as the second best shortstop going forward (behind Hanley) and as a borderline top 40 hitter from here on out. The latest injury issue may provide you with an opportunity to make an offer for him. If you’ve got specific Tulo trade proposals you are considering making or any you have received, feel free to hit me up in the comments. Same goes for any other trade questions involving shortstops.
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I have Tulo with Correa stashed on my bench and I need a 1st basemen. Who would be the best bet to get for Tulo. Edwin Encarnacion, Joey Votto or Freddie Freeman?
I’d rank them Freeman, E5, Votto.
I own Tulo in a 12team mixed H2H categories league where I have Jhonny Peralta as a backup. I’ve got a great shot at defending my title this year – how confident would you be in Peralta if a good Tulo offer came along?
Pretty confident. SS is s shallow that Peralta’s boring but steady production more than makes him a top 12 SS.
I needed steals and runs badly. So, I traded Tulo and Perkins for Desmond and Ellsbury. The trade went through a day before all the news about Tulo’s agent talking trade and about a week before the quad news. I don’t think I could have got this deal with either one of those things being discussed in the player news links.
And I hear you on Correa (big Astros fan too). I just stashed him in my keeper league with Hanley the starter.
In ottoneu I traded a $43 Tulo and $10 Choo for $37 Rendon and $17 Marte about 10 days ago. I have $25 Hanley and $1 Brad Miller at SS. Did I do ok?
Younger players for the same money? Yeah, I think you did well.
I’m in a dynasty league where I’m in second and already have Hanley, but my remaining MI is a war zone (Scooter Gennett! Wilmer Flores! Micah Johnson!) so I moved Blake Swihart and Michael Wacha for Tulo…two days before he got hurt.
How badly have I messed up?
Not badly. Swihart and Wacha are not super valuable pieces. Love that deal for you. Even if Tulo misses some time.
Great + very timely piece. I’m a Tulo owner in an OBP league fielding the following trade offer:
My Tulo for his Dozier (my current 2B is D. Travis), Correa, and one of Pineda, deGrom, Wacha, Paxton (MAYBE Hamels, but not on the table yet).
Would you take a 3 player package like that or hold out for Tulo to turn it around?
Thanks!
Keeper league? And who would be your SS replacement while Correa is still in the minors?
Redraft league, no keepers. My SS would probably be Kang or Cosart/Yunel/Simmons/Bogaerts/Hardy…it’s a daily H2H league, so I’d probably just play the matchups (though I like Kang the most out of those guys).
I would do it IF you got Pineda or deGrom AND you have somewhere you can play both Travis and Dozier. Don’t love it if you’re going to have to sit one of those 2Bs every day.
Us Tulo owners aren’t feeling very good right now though lol. All we can do is hold and wait I guess.
Yep from an ADP of #16 to now hoping he can salvage being “a borderline top 40 hitter from here on out”.
To be fair, a top 40 hitter at shortstop is worth a lot more than a top 40 hitter at another position.
Cantos makes a good point. My numbers are not adjusted for positional scarcity. I was ranking players purely on production.
Was offered Tulo for Kluber, turned it down QUICKLY (14 team auction)
Hmmm. I’m generally a fan of trading hitting for pitching. Though I get why you turned it down. If I liked the rest of my staff though, I might do that deal and bet on Tulo’s upside.
I’m in an OBP league and I’m currently playing Tulo at SS and Semien at 2B. Does a straight-up Tulo for Cano trade make sense? Semien is eligible at 2B and SS. I also have Zobrist coming off the DL soon and he’s eligible at both positions as well.
Cano is just as terrible, but less injury prone, do it
Yeah, I definitely think it makes sense. Tulo may have more upside, but Cano is the safer play at this point. Just don’t kick yourself whenever Tulo has a hot streak because he’s going to have one at some point. But as long as he misses some games as expected, I think you’ll be happy making that trade.
I’m in a 14-team ESPN roto league with typical categories plus .OPS and holds, and was just proposed Tulo and Carlos Santana for Cole Hamels and Chris Davis. I’ve been suffering through Jimmy Rollins this year and have Carlos Correa stashed. A lot of moving parts, but what do you think?
I really like the hitter pair there. If you can afford the loss of Hamels, I’d probably do it. If it’s really gonna thin out your pitching or if you way back in the pitching cats though, I might not do it.
Who should I start at 2B/shortstop going forward, Jhonny Peralta or Xander? I have Tulo at short.
I would mix and match a bit, but Peralta would be in there most days for me.
Folks, I currently own Hanley and am thinking I should sell high. My offense is pretty good but my pitching is rough so I’m looking to make a trade of Hanley and a poor pitcher for a solid but underappreciated SS and a good pitcher. I’ve already tried deals based around Hanley for Castro as well as Hanley for Peralta.
Any ideas?
Ian Desmond makes some sense. Also Reyes and Zobrist returning from injuries could be targets.
I bought Tulo just prior to his injury:
Gave David Robertson, Howie Kendricks, Trumbo
Got Tulo, Cody Allen
I still think you’re OK there.
12 team mixed keep only 3 players. I traded away a 14th round Kluber (2 round inflation per year) and a not keepable Tulo for a not keepable MCab the afternoon before his quad issue.
I have Tulo (and Correa as N.A.) Offered Tulo for Harper but still no answer. What do you think of this trade?
I don’t think anyone is going to trade harper at the moment. I am a harper owner myself, and I would not be able to hit decline fast enough on that deal FWIW
Agree with Alex. No one is trading Harper right now.
“The most interesting name is Marcus Semien. Semien has been the top shortstop so far according to ESPN’s player rater, and I wonder if some Tulo owners would deal him for Semien right now. To be extremely clear, I do not think a majority of Tulo owners would do so. But 10 percent of Tulo owners?”
Close I think. If you just took that 1 off of 10% I think you’d have it.
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I think you’re severely underestimating how dumb/paranoid some fantasy owners can be. I’m positive that’s a non-zero number.
Thoughts on Bautista for Tulo in a redraft league. I have Desmond on the bench
Prefer Bautista by quite a bit.
In a 10 person 6×6 with OBP and SLG. I have Kendrick, Cozart, and Simmons as my MI with great depth at SP, corner infield, and OF. Can those three produce decent ratios and runs for whole season or well Cozart/Simmons eventually fizzle out to be droppable?
Yeah I’m not really buying Simmons and Cozart long term. It’s a good time to sell high on Cozart. Maybe try to flip him and a pitcher for a better MI?
Yeah I have Harvey, Felix, Anibal, Liriano, Burnett with JoFer and Tanaka stashed. Who would you suggest a few targets be for a Cozart/Liriano package?
6 x 6 obp and slugging….traded Tulo for Pujols and Jason Heyward. Your thoughts?
All the buy lows! I’m good with it if you a decent SS replacement.
I’m in a 10-team keeper and have a tone of 3B depth – Donaldson, Bryant, Davis.
Was offered Tulo for Donaldson, but it feels a little light….
Agreed. Pass.
…but I would keep working it given your 3B depth. That’s close to a passable deal, just needs a little more weight added on their side to balance the scale.
If I were looking to trade Tulo, what Starting Pitchers should I target? If not Starting Pitchers, I could realky use speed. How bout Billy Hamilton but hamilton moving to the 8 hole hurts his vale. So whatcha think? Thanks.
I think SP 2 makes for the target range. Maybe a Lester or Zimmermann.
I was gonna offer tulo n calhoun for greinke n span? Too much ? So u think Lester n Zimmerman will finish the season strong?
That makes some sense. Or Greinke does. I still like Calhoun more than Span though.
I too like calhoun more then span but I need SB n span will steal.more then calhoun. N plus I thought greinke might b asking for too much for tulo so I added calhoun n span in the deal. So u think that’s a smart deal on my end? I need a #1 type of starting pitcher n SB badly.
If it meets team needs, I’m good with it.
Let’s say I just offer tulo for greinke, u think that’s a good deal for me or do u think I could get a better SP in return? Tulo is n incredible player I don’t wanna screw this up LOL. DO U think greinke is the best pitcher in can get or do u think Lester or zimmermann is better?
I definitely prefer Greinke to Lester and Zimmermann.
Thanks bro I def appreciate your advice. I’m trying to get King Felix but if I can’t pry him I will try n get greinke
Surprised that there’s no discussion around Tulo’s spiking o-swing, swinging strike rates. I’m not convinced there’s not something more substantial at work.
12-team, head to head, keeper league. Own Tulo, targeting SP. Would you trade Tulo straight up for Gerrit Cole or Sale? No backup SS, he would throw in Xander, but could probably trade for better. Keeper league, usual categories plus OPS, quality starts instead of W, K/9, era, whip.
I would if I was really hurting for pitching. But if I was just OK in pitching I’d probably ride it out for now. If he gets hot you can deal him for more later.
In all my leagues Tulo carries very little value. He is being actively shopped in 2 of them, both keeper leagues (and I mean being shopped HARD) and the best offers hes getting are like a SP# + a closer,
or a Kole Calhoun/OF3 + low end SS. nobody is paying for Tulo right now.
that should say “SP3”
my archer and storen for his tulo and greene. i’m tempted, but not crazy about the offer.
I’m generally a fan of hitters over pitchers, so if you’re deep enough at pitching, I’d consider it.
Background: I have Tulo but I am not keen on him after what I’ve seen so far, and having him as a keeper the last two years. I am desperately hurting for power at the moment.
I have Reyes waiting to return from the DL, and also have a Kipnis and Dee Gordon situation to work out at 2B once he does- between those four players, one of them would have to be benched which isn’t optimal. Trading Tulo seems like a good move.
One of my buddies is a Rockies fan (lol) and meant to draft Tulo two years ago when we started this keeper league, but clicked David Wright somehow instead (lol). Anyway, he would be biased towards picking him up if the right deal were offered.
The hitters he has that might improve my power numbers are Mike Trout (don’t think he’s on the table), Adrian Gonzalez, Arendo (although I have Donaldson so this would create a new roster problem for me) Trumbo, Russell Martin, Pence, and Castro.
My outfield is pretty much crap and could definitely use some improvement, and also takes up my whole bench: (Alex Gordon/Fowler/JD Martinez/Soler/Span) So I’m looking to improve there, as well as at 1B (Currently have Ryan Zimmerman and Yasmani Grandal vying for that spot.)
I have a solid battery of pitchers I could include in an offer to him, with Fernandez stashed, so I wouldn’t be too opposed to including one of them in a deal (Kershaw/Lester/Cueto/Teheran/Arrieta/Fernandez).
Who else should I include with Tulo to try to get Adrian Gonzalez and maybe an upgrade in the OF from him? I’d love to ship Tulo and get Gonzalez and Pence/Trumbo but I’m not sure what would be fair to offer.
Now that you know my entire fantasy baseball history…can anyone help? Haha 🙂 Thanks in advance <3
12-team mixed H2H 6×6 league (with OPS and Holds in addition to traditional 5×5 categories)
Here’s the trade: My Tulo, Greinke, and Tony Watson for his Hanley Ramirez, Yelich, and A.J. Burnett.
I feel like I’m selling low on Tulo, especially since usually he’s a beast in OPS leagues. Please help Brett!!