The Shortstop Mine Field
If all goes according to plan, our next round of rankings will be published later today. As you may have guessed, the position du jour is shortstop. As of this writing, only five out of seven sets of rankings have been entered into our handy shared Google doc.
It’s clear we have some deep disagreements about shortstop values. I’m going to break this into two parts – the guys I like more and the guys I like less than my colleagues. I’ll hunt for some meaning behind the madness. Because our rankings are not final, don’t be surprised if any numbers cited wind up slightly incorrect. We still need to address a couple guys who slipped through the cracks in the first run.
Bullish
Brandon Crawford
Eugenio Suarez
Cesar Hernandez
J.J. Hardy
Brock Holt
Brad Miller
Addison Russell
Zack Cozart
Ryan Goins
Crawford was the fourth best shortstop last year. He’s in line for power regression – his 16.2 percent HR/FB ratio is over 10 points higher than the rate he posted from 2011-2014. However, I’m not convinced he’s in line for steep regression. I have him ranked sixth with an expectation of about 15 home runs, a few stolen bases, a tolerable average, and good run production for the position.
The next best ranking for him is 16 with two others pegging him at number 28. If I’m missing something, I can’t figure it out. Crawford seems like the poster child for players whose defensive ability gives them the time to develop as hitters. Ozzie Smith is a classic example, he went from awful to quite decent as a hitter. Yadier Molina and Carlos Ruiz jump to mind among catchers.
By contrast, I understand why I’m on my own little island with regard to Suarez. I ranked him ninth. The next highest rating is 24th. To put words in their mouths, my fellow rankers are worried about where he’ll get playing time. They also don’t trust him offensively. I have confidence the Reds will start Suarez. They’ll either trade Brandon Phillips or send Suarez to left field.
As for his hitting, he should bat near the top of the Reds lineup. His home stadium is sooooo homer friendly (incidentally, that’s also probably why I like Cozart more than others). If Suarez is lucky, he’ll swat 20 home runs while batting ahead of Joey Votto. There’s upside for better OBP and contact skills than he’s shown in the majors.
Skipping ahead to Miller, my slightly bullish rating (14th, seven spots ahead of the next ranker) is based on the assumption that he’ll start at shortstop. My colleagues are probably just more worried about the other internal options than I am.
In Yahoo leagues, Hernandez has interesting position eligibilities (that’s even truer of Holt). Shortstop is his best fantasy position. Hernandez will get a crack at the leadoff job. He should post a good runs scored total, 20 steals, and a solid average in 650 plate appearances. He’ll kill you in home runs and RBI. It’s not a great profile, but I still think that puts him around number 18 at the position. The others ranked him above number 40.
I think Hardy could one day be healthy again. No further explanation necessary.
I suppose I’m more comfortable projecting growth from Russell. He had a 13.7 percent swinging strike rate last year, but nothing in his development profile suggests he should have whiff problems. With a fantastic supporting cast, the potential for a massive breakout exists. I’m of the opinion that he’ll need a couple years to reach his ceiling, but I’d rather bet on Russell than Marcus Semien.
I ranked Goins 31. That’s kind of like saying nobody will draft him. Two of my colleagues ranked him in the 40s while two more didn’t deign to give him a number. I like his new OBP skills and selectivity.
Bearish
Jose Reyes
Jean Segura
Trea Turner
Jose Iglesias
Asdrubal Cabrera
Andrelton Simmons
Chris Owings
Let’s actually start with Owings because I’m quite confused about his inclusion here. I think Owings is a fantastic sleeper this year – the kind that you can actually always get for $1. Of all the free shortstops, none has a better chance to finish in the Top 10 than Owings. Lurking under the surface is a ceiling that includes 15 home runs, 20 stolen bases, run production, and a decent average. Will he actually do that? No, probably not. My ranking was nine spots after the next lowest.
Reyes is not in my top 300 hundred. I rank him 24th among shortstops. Reyes’ next lowest ranking is 13. As for my pessimism, there’s the obvious reason – he’ll miss the start of the season with a trial, suspension, and/or jail time. There’s the less obvious reason – the Rockies always intended to trade him prior to the season. And there’s the least obvious reason – I don’t think he has much in the tank for 2016.
Let’s address that last comment. When players have off field issues, it affects their training and focus. We see players struggle when they have marital trouble. Reyes was also pretty terrible after joining the Rockies. Coors Field did not help. We can try to chalk that up to personal disappointment. It has to hurt to be traded away from a contender. But there’s also a reason the Jays made the move in the first place – Reyes was rapidly declining.
Segura. This one I just don’t get. I have him pencilled in as number 36. The next lowest ranking is 22. His composite ranking is 14. He’s Billy Hamilton with a quarter of the stolen base potential. He’ll run, but he doesn’t reach base. I don’t see any reason why that would change. Segura is barely a major league player. Later this season, some contending team is going to acquire him as a utility man and pinch runner.
I know what’s happening with Turner. It’s the inverse of Miller (above). My colleagues are assuming he beats Danny Espinosa for the starting job. I don’t think he will, at least not initially. Turner may be the better short and long term play for the Nationals, but teams are always careful to develop depth.
If Espinosa is the starting shortstop, the club can hang onto another major league quality utility man and toss Turner back to Triple-A. Then, if Daniel Murphy or Espinosa hit the disabled list, Turner can slide onto the roster. If Turner wins the job, then Espinosa takes the utility role. The club probably loses the unnamed other utility man. An injury would force the club to take development time away from somebody like Wilmer Difo.
Iglesias represents a situation where I may need to go back for more research. My first reaction to seeing a rankings gap was to say “when has he ever been good?” Last year actually. He had a great contact rate with about 85 percent of plate appearances ending with a ball in play. Add in his history of above average BABIPs, and you have a recipe for a high average hitter with some secondary skills. I may need to revisit my ranking.
In Cabrera and Simmons, I may be underrating boring veterans who play regularly. Cabrera in particular offers home run, stolen base, and run production value. I’m not sure 650 PA of Simmon is any different from Freddy Galvis. We agree Galvis is roughly the 46th shortstop, so I’m not sure why we have Simmons ranked 21st.
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Galvis might not play regularly. J.P. Crawford is knocking on the door.
It’s very unlikely. I addressed this in the Phillies position battles the other day. In short, the Phillies have every reason to keep Crawford in the minors until early 2017. And it shouldn’t be too hard for them to justify either. Crawford hasn’t proven he’s ready or anything.
re: J.P. Crawford.
How can you say he hasn’t proven he is ready when he hit .265-.354-.407 with more walks than strikeouts in 405 PAs at AA last season?
That line tells me he is more than ready. I see him in AAA to start the season with a call up in midseason.
That line says he did well as a 20-year-old at an advanced level. Nowhere has anyone said, “we must immediately call up this guy who hit .265/.354/.407 in Double-A.”
I do think Crawford could hold his own the majors right now. But that’s not the point. Why would the Phillies want to waste 1-2 seasons of club control by letting him play for a non-contending team? He can take the exact same developmental steps (i.e. try to consistently hit for better contact and power) in Double- and Triple-A.
This is a Kris Bryant situation, except it will be much easier for the Phillies to justify holding Crawford in the minors until early 2017.
Huh? Kris Bryant didn’t spend two seasons in AA/AAA. He spent one and then another month to delay his service time. The idea that the Phillies will keep Crawford buried for ~1000 PAs in AA/AAA is pretty ridiculous. The only ways he doesn’t get called up this season are if he struggles or gets hurt. Raygu is most likely correct about a midseason call-up.
I agree with Brad here – JP will need to rake at AA/AAA to the tune of .300/.390/525 or better to force the Phils hands and even then it wouldn’t come until July at the EARLIEST.
Again, why would the Phillies give away an entire service year just so he can hold his own for a non-contending team? There’s no reason they wouldn’t let him have another 600+ PA in the upper minors. It’s irrational to do otherwise.
If he was 24, it might be different. But he’s barely 21. We’re talking about retaining or wasting his age 28 season. The Phillies would have to be incredibly foolish to give away that season for nothing.
There are two exceptions.
1. the team is contending.
2. they work out a long term contract comparable to Jon Singleton.
That’s it. Even if Crawford is murdering the minors, it’s still an unconscionable business decision to call him up before mid-April 2017. A fire-able offense.
They could call him up a la the Cubs with Castro a few years back, just to give the fans something to root for.
But they have to at least be semi-contending to properly monetize that approach. Calling up a top prospect doesn’t sell many tickets if your team is 40-65.
I said he will start the season in AAA. Never said, they should have called him up last season. But, to say he isn’t ready is wrong. He is as close to ready as any prospect in the game.
Brad said “That’s it. Even if Crawford is murdering the minors, it’s still an unconscionable business decision to call him up before mid-April 2017. A fire-able offense.”
Wow.
At some point, you need to challenge this guy, and from a lot of what I have read, and his performance in AA indicates the same, he has yet to be challenged in the minors.
AAA may well be that challenge, but if it isn’t, you don’t waste him in AAA, no matter if the big league team is competing or not.
The counterpoint is that shortstop prospects seem to be accelerated as long as they can handle the position defensively. There are so many examples, and you all know them, so I won’t bother. I have been burned by this phenomenon a bunch of times. But the point about the phillies having every incentive to wait is certainly valid.
He was challenged last year in Double-A! Sure, he did well, but it’s not like he rocked the level. He didn’t consistently produce quality contact. His plate discipline is on point, and it let’s his bat play way up. The bat itself is not fully developed. His contact too often lacks authority.
His performance to date is very exciting. He’s a star in the making. Yet nothing in the profile says he must play in the majors before early ’17. Not yet. First he has to make Triple-A pitchers look like little leaguers.
this thread is comical. why are people acting like a .760 OPS in AA is a “you can’t keep this guy down any more” number. it’s very good, for his age, certainly, but
“crawford crawford crawford”
look, which year would you rather have if you’re the phillies. a year of a 21-year-old holding his head above water with like a .680 OPS during a season you’re not even trying to contend, or a year of a 28-year-old at the peak of his (probably considerable) powers in the heart of your next contention window?
“but… we have him on our dynasty teams and we want him now”
sorry
Because that’s not the way major league baseball has ever worked. No team holds its players in the minor leagues indefinitely until that team is “ready to contend.” It doesn’t happen. Teams will delay call-ups for a couple of months to manipulate service time, but not years. It’s possible that Crawford will struggle this season or get injured, in which case he could spend the entire year in the minor leagues, but otherwise he will be making an appearance in Philadelphia. It has nothing to do with “dynasty teams,” as Crawford isn’t even that attractive in fantasy baseball.
they wouldn’t hold him in AAA for three years for that reason, no, but this is a 20-year-old who played in AA last year
+1 to Wily Mo.
150 PA in Double-A and another 450+ PA in Triple-A is not “indefinitely.” In fact, it’s less time than many prospects spend in the upper minors.
It’s very rare for an elite prospect to have 400+ PAs in AA/AAA and then spend another full season in the minor leagues. The only recent one I’ve found is Pederson, and he was obviously blocked by LA’s outfield logjam.
If you actually research this you will discover that you are not correct.
“Many” “prospects” have 1,000 PA in the upper minors. This is indisputable. Yes, it was an intentionally vague statement.
Why are we arguing about this? The Phillies are going to do whatever they do. And I or somebody else will roast them on the main site if they call up Crawford prematurely. I know that there is only one logical, rational course of action for the Phillies, subject to the few exceptions I’ve noted above. You’re free to believe otherwise.
Crawford could force their hand, but he’s nowhere near doing that at this point in time.
I understand why you’re getting defensive, but recent history of elite prospects runs contrary to what you are claiming. For the Phillies to do what you claim is the “one logical, rational course of action” would mean doing something very different from the norm.
I’m not feeling too defensive. It’s really easy math. Should the Phillies light $10s of millions on fire? No.
I don’t have any more time to put into this topic.
wilymo said: “this thread is comical. why are people acting like a .760 OPS in AA is a “you can’t keep this guy down any more” number. it’s very good, for his age, certainly, but”
only 5 shortstops OPS’d higher than 760 last year. Crawford is not a power hitter.
Crawford had over 400 PAs in AA last season. He walked more than he K’d. He is more than ready for AAA.
The Phillies should be more concerned with Crawford being big league ready when they are ready to contend in 2-3 years rather than saving millions in 2022. Their contract with Comcast is huge and their fan base has shown they will support a winner…..they will have the money to pay him.
Why would letting him work on improve his contact quality for a season in the minors negative affect his development. It’s more likely to help.
i meant “can’t keep him down any more” in the sense of down in the minors at all. not the promotion from AA to AAA. which was sort of obvious from the context tbh
One season of control isn’t likely to be worth tens of millions. Exaggerating that amount is precisely the sort of indicator that led me to believe you were feeling defensive. Moreover, I’ve already pointed out to you that the thing you say is the “only one logical, rational course of action for the Phillies” happens to be something that major league teams have not been doing. Elite prospects very rarely spend a second full season in the high minors before receiving a call-up. It might happen, but to suggest that it’s the “only one logical, rational course of action for the Phillies” is obviously far too strident.
If Crawford is the player we think he is, then his age 28 season projects at above $30MM of value. Perhaps much higher. Via arbitration, he may cost $16MM since his skill set isn’t typically well paid under that process. Then there is the value of past seasons to factor in, incrementally. We can get to $20MM pretty easily.
What “value of past seasons” are you referring to? Holding him in the minors longer would only increase his subsequent arbitration awards, assuming it results in him becoming even more productive during his arbitration years. So if there is any additional adjustment to make, it would be downward rather than upward. Furthermore, Crawford would need to be kept down not only at the beginning of 2017 but for several months into that season if the Phillies were to avoid making him a Super-Two, as that status would further shrink the supposed savings you’re insisting they should go after.
Brad, you’re digging in your heels unnecessarily on this one. It’s fine for you to say that you think the Phillies are better off keeping Crawford in the minors for additional seasoning. Saying that they should keep him down because they’re not planning on contending in 2017 is dubious at best, and insisting that keeping him down is the “one logical, rational course of action” is blatantly unreasonable. That’s not how major league teams operate, nor is it particularly justifiable, much less the obvious choice you assert it to be. Follow your instincts with the “I don’t have time for this” excuse and walk away.