The Change: Pitchers Who Hang Them

We may not have found a way to measure hanging breaking balls today, but one table in particular caught my eye as being maybe useful for fantasy players. On this table, you’ll see the curveballs with the biggest range in movement with a few outcome stats included. If we sort through this list mentally, it seems possible to find our hanging curveballs.

Starting Pitchers by Curveball Movement Range
Name Count Ave PFx_z Standard Deviation PFx_z ZoneWhiff Whiff Diff
Jesse Chavez 170 -5.0 3.88 15% 28%
Chris Heston 617 -3.0 3.49 27% 14%
Noah Syndergaard 490 -0.6 3.37 16% 24%
J.A. Happ 275 -4.7 3.36 7% 16%
Erasmo Ramirez 174 0.8 3.31 28% 16%
Roenis Elias 311 -4.1 3.20 11% 24%
Mike Bolsinger 674 -7.8 3.03 9% 16%
Michael Lorenzen 207 -5.8 2.81 12% 21%
Shane Greene 147 0.0 2.69 14% 11%
John Danks 267 -0.9 2.68 10% 14%
Felix Hernandez 553 -8.7 2.52 12% 21%
Danny Duffy 496 -4.0 2.48 12% 10%
Miguel Gonzalez 251 -5.2 2.48 9% 9%
John Lackey 267 -3.9 2.41 8% 9%
Mark Buehrle 210 -4.2 2.38 0% 8%
Chris Rusin 212 0.0 2.37 14% 18%
Jered Weaver 464 -2.6 2.37 21% 5%
Buck Farmer 118 -0.2 2.36 8% 11%
Taijuan Walker 190 -6.4 2.35 11% 21%
Wandy Rodriguez 546 -7.4 2.34 8% 14%
Jon Niese 436 -4.3 2.31 8% 11%
Wei-Yin Chen 218 -6.6 2.29 3% 8%
Yovani Gallardo 340 -5.0 2.28 9% 13%
Lance Lynn 133 -5.4 2.28 10% 10%
Colby Lewis 232 -3.7 2.26 15% 1%
Ave PFx_z = average vertical movement
Standard Deviation PFx_z = standard deviation in vertical movement
Zone Whiff = whiffs/swing on pitches in the zone
Whiff Diff = difference between whiff% on all pitches minus whiff% on in-zone pitches
Minimum 100 curveballs thrown. 2015

Jesse Chavez had a reputation for hanging curveballs, so this list seems better whit him at the helm. But I’d be more worried about guys with large ranges in curveball movement and bad in-zone whiff rates, so in the terms of this analysis, there are other pitches that worry me more.

J.A. Happ’s curveball, for instance. It’s terrible in the zone, and only three starters have a larger range in movement, so it’ll end up in the zone sometimes. A big part of his recent success has been throwing the curve less — he cut his usage in half with the Pirates as part of his ‘throw my bad pitches less and my good pitches more’ plan. Over the last two years, that curve has given up the second-most homers per pitches of his many pitches. Fewer curves indeed.

Mike Bolsinger’s numbers worry me just as much, and he doesn’t have other pitches to fall back on. Given that he also telegraphs his slider by using a different arm slot, I’m not banking on much more out of Bolsinger than he’s given his team so far.

Miguel Gonzalez showed up on other possible hanger lists with his changeup, and here he is showing us that his curve has a similar problem. His curve doesn’t get many whiffs, period, and this probably goes a decent way to undoing the infield fly ball strengths that he does have.

Jered Weaver showing up here is a little concerning for the usefulness of the list, since most agree he has great command. Mark Buehrle, too. Do these two veterans vary the movement on purpose and mess up our numbers?

Let’s look at changeups, since I haven’t heard a pitcher other than Chase Anderson tell me much about commanding his changeup and changing the movement on the pitch. Maybe this list will be more solid.

Starting Pitchers by Changeup Movement Range
Name Count Avg(PFx_z) Standard Deviation PFx_z Zone Whiff Whiff Diff
Danny Salazar 460 3.3 3.28 25% 18%
Felix Hernandez 767 -0.1 2.85 13% 15%
Miguel Gonzalez 345 3.5 2.73 12% 25%
James Paxton 111 5.7 2.63 19% 9%
Colby Lewis 317 8.5 2.61 3% 6%
Rick Porcello 201 5.4 2.50 10% 10%
Matt Shoemaker 505 4.8 2.50 14% 16%
Eddie Butler 170 3.8 2.47 11% 7%
Vidal Nuno 200 4.8 2.46 13% 6%
Michael Montgomery 301 3.7 2.46 19% 17%
Jacob deGrom 302 3.9 2.45 20% 13%
Collin McHugh 119 4.7 2.45 17% 6%
J.A. Happ 252 5.8 2.44 6% 10%
Martin Perez 182 6.3 2.42 18% 5%
Trevor Bauer 315 4.6 2.41 14% 9%
Alex Colome 192 7.2 2.41 9% 15%
Matt Cain 146 1.7 2.40 6% 10%
Justin Verlander 288 8.0 2.40 15% 7%
Ervin Santana 131 6.2 2.34 22% -4%
Jon Niese 357 3.2 2.33 4% 10%
Ave PFx_z = average vertical movement
Standard Deviation PFx_z = standard deviation in vertical movement
Zone Whiff = whiffs/swing on pitches in the zone
Whiff Diff = difference between whiff% on all pitches minus whiff% on in-zone pitches
Minimum 100 curveballs thrown. 2015

I would buy Danny Salazar at the top of a bad command list, so that part feels okay. But the split change that he throws gets a ton of whiffs in the zone. And Trevor Bauer even pointed out to me the other day that Salazar doesn’t always know where it’s going, and that the splitter is all about ‘destabilizing the spin axis.’ So maybe Salazar’s unpredictability is an asset. Look at the next name on the list…

At the same time, this magic has not worked for Colby Lewis‘ change, which is unpredictable yet predictably bad. Rick Porcello and Eddie Butler are supposed to have good changes, too. And Matt Cain’s change is supposed to be as good as his command… In these cases, though, this news is not good. They throw all sorts of different changeups, and they aren’t currently working.

Appearing across multiple versions of this list are Miguel Gonzalez, J.A. Happ, Jon Niese, and Trevor Bauer. It seems like you’d want to command one of your non-fastballs well, and that it would be tough to really be able to manipulate the movement on multiple pitches well. Of all the pitchers that have shown up in our romp today, this quartet suffers the most when you look through this lens.





With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

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