Ottoneu Arbitration: Using Early Trade Talks

Last week, I re-introduced the ottoneu arbitration omnibus. It’s a one-stop shop for just about everything arbitration. Since then, Chad Young has chipped in with a few additional thoughts about this season’s allocations.

Arbitration runs through November 14. So you still have a few weeks to decide on your allocations or votes. Once the 14th rolls by, we can shift into offseason trade mode. Even though I don’t have much more advice to offer about the arbitration process, we can still discuss arbitration-adjacent topics.

You can’t trade yet. In fact, the trade wizard is completely disabled. However, nothing is stopping you from early negotiations. And, depending how those talks shape up, it can affect your (and your rival’s) allocation decisions.

Let’s say you want to acquire my Mike Trout. The first thing you have to do is convince me that it’s in my best interest to trade Trout. That’s not going to be easy. Ostensibly, your best argument will revolve around budget constraints.

Using my actual team as an example, I probably have to trade one of Trout or Clayton Kershaw to get back under the $400 cap. But I don’t want to. They’re both so valuable in-season, and I’ve seen the underwhelming return they generate due to their high cost.

Last offseason, Kershaw netted pre-injury Marcus Stroman ($6) (this trade wasn’t with me). Trout ($55) and Jonathan Lucroy ($14) cost me Steven Souza ($4), Corey Seager ($5), and Jace Peterson ($3). In both cases, the previous owner got something good, but I can’t help feeling underwhelmed. Trout and Kershaw win leagues. Stroman, Seager, and Souza are merely nice, cost effective core components. Add up enough of those, and you can afford to roster a Trout or Kershaw. Except these owners already traded them away. See the problem?

You can potentially convince me to trade Trout by bidding him up during the arbitration process. Trout went into the offseason as a $57 player. He’s already been allocated $5 more dollars with seven teams left to allocate.

Obviously, those early allocations can be changed between now and the end of arbitration. However, all you have to do is help to make me open-minded about trading him. If you pile on another $3, I’ll start to feel like I have to trade him. You can even reallocate those dollars later – chances are I’ll stick with my previous decision to trade him. Decisions are sticky.

From there you two options. If you have plenty of budget space, you could keep your $3 on Trout. That might devalue my bargaining position in trade talks. If you want him at the cheapest price possible, you can remove those $3 prior to November 14 and maybe pay slightly more in talent. The optimal decision probably depends upon whether your $3 will bring his price above a milestone (i.e. $60). As advertisers know, $60 looks a lot worse than $59.

You can also use trade negotiations to your advantage. Let’s say I start shopping Trout right now. Chances are, most prospective buyers will want him to cost as little as possible. I’m going to take the position that his price doesn’t matter. I’ll want the same return no matter how much money is allocated to him. He’s Mike Trout. If you can fit him on your roster without crippling yourself, you do it.

In that scenario, a rational rival will allocate their money elsewhere. That’s not actually a good thing if I really want to trade Trout. I’d rather my alternatives like a $6 Lance McCullers fly under the radar.

But what if I actually hope to keep Trout? Perhaps I can squeeze him in at $60 but not $65. If I can convince a few owners that they stand a real chance to acquire him, maybe I’ll actually wind up keeping Trout at $60 and trading a $12 McCullers.

This highlights the challenge of early trade talks. Especially when you’re talking about a dynamic talent like Trout, it’s often in his owner’s best interest to inflate your odds of completing a trade. Of course, the deception could run both ways. You might mislead your rival with some dummy bids.





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Ben
9 years ago

Hello Brad, I was in your Daily Grind Invitational league. I’ve been reading your articles about Ottoneu and it sounds like a lot of fun. I went over to the Ottoneu page, but I couldn’t find the answer to this question. I was wondering if you could help me out. I’m interested in playing Ottoneu, but it seems way too detailed for my friends in my usual league. Can you sign up for Ottoneu and join a random league? Thanks in advance and keep up the good writing.

Arctic_Kiwis
9 years ago
Reply to  Ben

There are many abandoned teams available – and several other leagues where teams will drop off. http://ottoneu.fangraphs.com/claimteams

Trey Baughn
9 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Ben, Ottoneu is great. You can certainly claim an open team, but before you do that I recommend you join us on in the Ottoneu community on Slack (300+ Ottoneu players). We have as specific channel you can use to find a new league and it will give you plenty of opportunity to ask questions and get a feel for the game this off season before you begin your first year. Check out this point, and if interested, post your request and I’ll get you signed up (it’s free): https://ottoneutraderumors.wordpress.com/2015/01/29/features-of-the-ottoneucommunity-on-slack/

Ben
9 years ago
Reply to  Trey Baughn

It looks like a cool site. Thanks. I thought I posted a request to join it on Slack, but I am not sure if it posted. I don’t want to bombard the page with comments, so please let me know if you got it.

Thanks again.