How Does Kolten Wong Fit in St. Louis?
According to numerous reports, the Cardinals will be recalling 22-year-old infield prospect Kolten Wong, the team’s first-round pick out of the University of Hawaii in 2011. Wong was only Marc Hulet’s #5 Cardinals prospect entering the year, but that “only” comes with just about the largest caveat you can find, because saying that someone isn’t better than Oscar Taveras, Michael Wacha, Carlos Martinez, or Shelby Miller is pretty far from a slight.
Wong doesn’t project as a superstar in the big leagues, but the potential for an above-average ballplayer — and intriguing fantasy asset — is there. Moving quickly from Single-A to Triple-A in just barely over two years since being drafted, Wong carries a professional line of .301/.365/.446 into his promotion, and that career mark is almost exactly what he’s producing at in 2013 as well.
While Wong is unlikely to ever provide more than 10-12 homers in a full season at the big league level at most, he’s known for his hit tool and his ability to make solid contact, which should allow him to maintain a solid batting average in the bigs. He’s not a speed demon, but he does have 41 steals over the last two seasons, and he’s only been caught once in 2013, so he can help there too. Considering how thin second base tends to get in fantasy after the top tier, a guy who can contribute batting average, steals, and some amount of pop now and then is a perfectly respectable roster addition.
That’s wonderful for keeper leagues, but the question for the remainder of this season is, where is he going to play? That’s perhaps not the best way to phrase it, since he’s going to play second base; it’s the only defensive position he’s ever played in the pros. But the Cardinals do have Matt Carpenter manning the position, and all he’s done is put up a breakout .310/.380/.470 with 88 runs scored and adequate defense.
Wong isn’t around to take time away from Carpenter, though you don’t imagine they bothered to recall him to sit on the bench, either. Unfortunately, neither Wong nor Carpenter has any experience playing shortstop, which is the true St. Louis need — Daniel Descalso & Pete Kozma have combined for just a .238/.288/.332 line, with six homers and seven steals, helping out neither the Cardinals nor fantasy players.
Instead, it seems likely that Mike Matheny will take advantage of Carpenter’s multi-positional versatility to open up some time. Carpenter can play both infield corners as well as both outfield corners, and while Matt Holliday & Carlos Beltran may not need more than an occasional day to keep fresh, David Freese may want to look over his shoulder at third base.
Without diverging too far from the focus on Wong to investigate Freese, he’s struggled badly to repeat his excellent 2012, hitting just six homers and landing on Mike Podhorzer’s list of “Batted Ball Distance Decliners” earlier this month. Pair that with defensive metrics that are suddenly not a huge fan, and you get the feeling that Carpenter may be seeing more time at third base. (Freese also was lifted from Thursday’s win over Pittsburgh for what seemed to be no particular reason in the seventh, not even as part of a pitcher double-switch, though we’ve not yet heard any indication of injury.)
Wong is likely to get his fair share of playing time, but due to the uncertainty about how he’ll fit into the crowded St. Louis offense, redraft owners should look upon him with some hesitation. In keeper leagues, however, he’s definitely someone you’ll want to grab if you can, with an eye on him being the everyday second baseman in 2014, potentially good enough to be considered in the second tier at the position.
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As a Cardinals fan, here’s what I would like to see happen. Don’t resign Beltran – he’s going to get too much. Move Allen Craig to Right Field, with Matt Adams as your every day First Baseman.
Trade David Freese, move Carpenter to play third every day. Wong then gets installed as the every day second baseman.
Trade Jon Jay to a team who needs a league average center fielder. Let the Oscar Taveras games begin.
Now, this still doesn’t address our most glaring need – a shortstop. Lord, help us.
That’s re-sign* Beltran.
Yeah, that’s the same word.
Also, Wong Fits in St. Louis sounds like a movie I don’t want to watch.
Those are actually kind of the opposite words my friend. Clayton was right to correct it, punctuation marks are important.
Wong gets installed
I don’t think the STL front office is willing to make Craig an everyday OF because of health concerns – they don’t think he can take the pounding out there. Causes a bit of a problem when Adams can’t play anywhere but 1B either. Perhaps Adams should be used as a trade chip for a SS, even though I love that guy.
I agree with all of this, except I think Jay has a place as the 4th OF. He’s better than Robinson, he’ll be cheap for a little longer, and OT will need a few months in Memphis after ankle surgery.
Jon Jay is underrated and Oscar Tavares is injured. Even if Tavares proves himself, Jay would be a very valuable 4th outfielder. Also, what would the Cardinals get for Freese? His value is at an all time low, it is not as if they could get Alexei Ramirez or Asdrubal Cabrera for him, even if they wait until the offseason.
Move Kolton to shortstop?
Carpenter had no experience playing second coming in to spring this season, right? Any chance they test him out at short next spring just to see if maybe he can handle it?
I strongly doubt it. Much more likely that he’s at 3B with Freese gone, or 1B/RF with Craig if Beltran is gone, or back at 2B if Wong flops, or is the best everyday “utility man” around.
Freese should be relegated to backup & pitch hitter if Wong is able to hit better than him.
No chance.
He’s one of the best hitters in baseball right now and I just don’t see any team wanting to mess with someone like that. You find a position for him and you keep him there all season. You don’t move him around the field with the potential of screwing up his bat in the process. If Wong is part of their future plans then Carpenter either has to play every day at third or a corner outfield spot if shortstop is not an option.
Because no super utility players have ever prospered everyday at multiple positions (Zobrist, Prado, Keppinger, Infante, Trumbo…)
None of those guys are elite hitters by any stretch of the imagination!! Carpenter has more then proven himself to be an all-star level hitting talent at the age of 27. Zobrist has not thrived at moving around the diamond…his numbers actually suck this year. Same goes for Prado. And Infante and Keppinger are the definition of utility type players.
Pick a position for Carpenter to play and keep him there or there is a good chance his bat suffers.
No! No! No! You have it all wrong. These young guys thrive on a fresh, exciting challenge day-in and day-out. You have to move him all around the field to keep his bat charged for every plate appearance. Both Wong and Carpenter should get their reps everywhere on the diamond. It gives the Cardinals the best chance to win!
“You have to move him all around the field to keep his bat charged for every plate appearance. ”
That makes no sense.
“That makes no sense.”
It seems you have figured out his point but have not gotten his point.
What an inane argument.
This may sound crazy, but I think the Cardinals have room for all of their current crop of position players. I am not ready to install Taveras as the everyday center fielder. It will be great if he’s at full strength for the start of spring training, but he doesn’t even have 50 games at the AAA level yet. If you can get Beltran on a one- or even two-year deal without a huge jump in the money he’s getting currently, I would do it. And while Freese is the most expendable of the lot, there’s something to be said for a third baseman who can hit above the league average even in a down year. If all these guys come back next year, you could use the following lineups:
Vs. LHP–Craig 1B, Carpenter 2B, Freese 3B, Beltran RF (As soon as Taveras is ready, he could spell Beltran or Jay against lefties and occasionally against righties. In a best-case scenario, Jay becomes the fourth outfielder by the end of the season. If Taveras looks like he can handle center regularly and Jay is still attractive to another team as an everyday player, part ways with him after 2014).
Vs. RHP–Craig 1B, Wong 2B, Carpenter 3B, Beltran RF (Adams would still see plenty of time at 1B against RHP to rest all four of these guys plus Holliday).
Obviously Freese’s playing time will be cut more than anyone else’s. But there’s worse things in the world than having Freese as a spare bat on the bench and platoon 3B. Picture a Ty Wigginton who will actually be useful against lefties in the late innings. With two more years of team control (even at a fairly high price), I would not be in a rush to move someone just for the sake of moving them.
I would also not spazz over the Cardinals taking advantage of Carpenter’s defensive versatility. Stan Musial and Albert Pujols had standout, MVP-caliber seasons moving back and forth between different spots in the infield and outfield. Lesser talents like Pepper Martin, Red Schoendienst, and Jose Oquendo have performed at an All-Star caliber level while moving all around the field. Zobrist is another good modern example. Make use of what you have. Don’t force your roster and lineup to be thinner unless you have an actual incentive to do so.
Not sur Zobrist is a good example. He’s been such an erratic hitter the last few years and I wouldn’t be surprised if the cause was his use in the field. Some players may enjoy and thrive at the challenge of shifting all over the diamond…and maybe Carpenter is one of those players…time will tell. But I think the majority prefer knowing what position they will be playing every day and it gives them less to have worry about thus making them more relaxed at the plate and in the field. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Cards move Carp around for now and see how he handles it. But if his offense declines then they need to pick a permanent position for him.
In 2009, Zobrist had his monster career season while moving around defensively more than in any other year of his career. And after one off season in 2010, he has settled in as a consistently productive hitter and plus fielder wherever he plays. At age 32, he is likely in the waning days of his prime, but I think people in this thread are being overly harsh on Zobrist. Their player profiles aren’t identical of course, but we would be fortunate to get the production out of Carpenter from age 28-32 that the Rays have gotten out of Zobrist.
Chone Figgins is another recent example of a guy who moved around defensively for quite a few years. Ironically enough his decline started to set in around the time he was given an everyday position with Seattle.
If Carpenter for some reason does not respond well to returning to the super-utility role he had in 2012 (but with more playing time now of course), you can always install him full time at 3B. But it would also be important not to interpret a decline next season as being connected to moving around. This is Carpenter’s age 27 season, and could end up being the best of his career no matter where he plays in the field.
FWIW, Taveras hits left-handed. You’d want him facing righties more often than lefties.
Freese is arb-eligible, though he should be affordable coming off this season. Problem is, he’s 31 and a poor defender. I suspect he’s trade bait for a team like the Yankees (since A-hole will be a year older and likely suspended for a large portion of ’14). Make Beltran a QO, and don’t worry too much whether or not he takes it (doubt he does), since $14m can be put to use elsewhere. I think for now Carpenter becomes an everyday utility guy, getting half the starts at 3B, some at 2B, RF… next season his role will be determined by what happens between now and spring training, but I strongly suspect it will be at 3B. Adams I think gets dangled as part of a package for a shortstop upgrade.
Or maybe Wong falls flat on his face, though given the Cards’ track record, I really doubt it.
If there’s one team that does not currently need more DH types, it’s the Yankees. It’s also important not to overreact to less than 800 innings of defensive stats for Freese this season, especially on this of well websites. Freese was a plus fielder as recently as last season. He likely won’t be that good going forward, but 800 innings is a blip. It’s not proof of much at this point.
Heres an idea. Trade matt adams carlos martinez and a ptbnl to the indians for asdrubal cabrera and everyone is happy