Dynasty And Keepers: When The Dominoes Finally Fall
A couple weeks ago, I lamented the state of trading in my dynasty league, The Devil’s Rejects. I run a team with Chad Young in this 20-owner, 45-player roster, keep-28 league. At the time of my last piece, Chad and I had run into a snag. When we tried to trade good veterans for prospects we were told to take a hike. When we tried to trade prospects for good veterans, we were told to take a hike. Frustrating…
Happily, I can report that some dominoes finally fell into place. What changed? I believe three things happened. Winter Meetings mania has seemingly infected the league. More owners are actively engaged in discussions on a daily basis. This could be for any number of reasons. Many corporate jobs have a lull between Thanksgiving and the New Year. Maybe my rivals are refreshed from their heaping helping of Turkey Day turkey. Maybe they don’t have anything else to do while sitting next to their old timey hot stove.
More likely, we’ve all talked to enough owners to form accurate market expectations for our players. We know people don’t want any part of Kendrys Morales because he’s old. So we don’t even bother shopping him. He’ll help our team in the near future and then we’ll cut him when it’s appropriate. Others, like James Paxton, are polarizing players. Seven owners have an interest in him as a solid asset. A few win-now oriented rivals won’t consider adding him.
It also helps that our new owners have had a chance to adjust to the league. Dynasty leagues always have turnover, it’s an unavoidable negative externality of the size, depth, and time commitment associated with the format. The three newbies we brought in this year seem like they’ll stick. They’ve also all opted to rebuild. Two of them didn’t really have a choice and the third would have been playing for fifth place (money back).
Let’s talk about the actual trades Chad and I made. All three offer instructional points for dynasty and keeper league owners. We first pulled the trigger on a prospect swap.
We Received
Dalton Pompey
3rd Round Pick
We Gave
Dominic Smith
10th Round Pick
This was a rare instance where Chad and I disagreed. I like Smith a lot more than Chad – I think he’ll be an elite prospect in another year or two. I’m also down on Pompey, although Chad isn’t as concerned about his inconsistent 2015. Ultimately, there were a couple reasons I agreed to the swap.
We had a couple trade talks progressing – both now on hold – where our counterpart wanted a speedy outfielder. Rather than put Odubel Herrera on the table, we can now use Pompey as that speed piece. In general, the trade market highly values stolen bases, and our team is punting the category. There’s also something to be said for Pompey’s proximity to the majors. He’s an injury (not to him) away from starting for the best offense in baseball.
Last year, we traded Pompey for Ben Zobrist and Tyler Clippard sometime around July 20. At the time, we knew Clippard would soon lose his closing gig. We had hoped he might be considered for closing gigs this offseason. His name hasn’t come up in any related rumors, but the Phillies have a newly vacated gig they’ll want to fill on the cheap. Zobrist the Cub is now a key core contributor to our roster.
We dealt Pompey when his value was at its lowest. So we feel comfortable about converting him back into mid-season reinforcements if and when they’re needed.
Our next trade was a blockbuster.
We Received
Chris Archer
Lance McCullers
We Gave
Charlie Blackmon
Derek Dietrich
Jed Lowrie
This swap transformed our good-not-great pitching staff into top contenders for four of the five pitching categories. Archer and McCullers join Francisco Liriano, Danny Salazar, Jose Quintana, and Jake Odorizzi. We also have Paxton and Alex Wood, although we’re shopping both players. It’s a weekly lineup league with nine pitching slots, and we usually use six starters and three relievers.
More importantly, we felt the trade improved our long term outlook. Chad and I aim to contend in 2016, but we aren’t emulating the 2015 Padres or the 2016 Diamondbacks – at least not yet. We’re still trying to maximize the value of our roster even as we settle for old veterans like Morales and Jayson Werth in key roles.
The painful component was trading Blackmon. His stolen base production will be sorely missed as our team has no replacement. However, we worried about nagging rumors that the Rockies might trade him. It’s unclear what kind of player he’d be away from Coors Field, but the signs say he’d be a lot less valuable to us.
Dealing Dietrich and Lowrie stole away our second base and outfield depth. We addressed that in our most recent trade.
We Receive
Devon Travis
8th Round Pick
We Gave
Nick Gordon
3rd Round Pick
Travis’ job with the Blue Jays is in question. Ryan Goins broke out in the second half of 2015 and deserves to start somewhere. Travis has also suffered from repeated shoulder injuries. An offseason surgery will probably force him to miss Opening Day. Hopefully, it corrected the problem. It’s a small risk we’re accepting.
Once he’s healthy and finds a way past Goins, Travis could be an offensive force at the position. His role in the Blue Jays offense likely depends upon Troy Tulowitzki. If Tulo continues to decline, Travis is a candidate to bat ahead of Josh Donaldson, Jose Bautista, and Edwin Encarnacion. However, we’re expecting him to bat eighth or ninth next season.
We can afford to be patient with Travis because we have Zobrist at second base and the Reds shortstop duo – Zack Cozart and Eugenio Suarez – filling shortstop and middle infield. Once Travis returns to action, Zobrist and Suarez can switch to utility roles. We’re banking on Suarez starting in left field. We’re taking some risk with our middle infield, but players like Freddy Galvis cost practically nothing to acquire if we run into a problem.
In Gordon, we’re giving up a high quality prospect who is still a breakout away from having a major league future. Gordon is one of the top shortstop prospects remaining in the minors, and he’s entering his age 20 season. He hasn’t hit for any power yet, but he’s expected to eventually post 10 home runs annually with more than 20 steals and a positive batting average. We opted for instant gratification over a lengthy development process. Our trade partner was better situated for the wait.
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That return for Archer/McCullers was an absolute heist IMO.
Really? Blackmon and throw ins? Or do you really like Dietrich more than us?
i think he probably means getting archer and mccullers for that package was a heist
I like the archer/mccullers trade,not sure what the rest of your team looks like though. Your rotation is nice for a 20 team league.
Here’s a link to a Google doc with our roster. It’s organized slightly inefficiently – the better to highlight certain players we want to shop.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f209f22PwJLOCI55-VAeZogClbt2iaDu2Njk6b3Tn3s/edit?usp=sharing
As a long-term member of a 20-owner, 40 player (+DL) dynasty league I agree this is a very nice-looking rotation. Quite a few holes on the hitting side but it’s hard to assemble pitching like that without having gaps somewhere.
Love the article, You guys are ready to take over an MLB team with those GM skills lol. Anyone know whats the best place to find a league similar to this? I been looking around and have not been able to.
I can’t speak to the quality of the league, but somebody was advertising a league with openings in the comments of this post – http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/the-hot-stove-and-fantasy-baseball/#comments
Without having your own core group of 12 to 15 people you “know,” it’s very hard to get this kind of league together. Unfortunately, to find 20 people with this level of in-depth knowledge, you usually have to turn to strangers. As a fantasy writer, I’m lucky.
I’m the commish of a 13-yr 18-team free yahoo points league, 4 player keeper. Always struggle with a couple teams that end up just not being very active or playing until year end. Actually we used to be a 20-team league for the same reason. Anyway I’ve got two teams I’m looking to move to better managers, anyone can contact me if they’re interested at my name altogether at the mail that is hot, I’ll send you the available teams. Thanks
I think the Pompey trade was a heist in your favor. There is not a great chance that Smith ever has any fantasy value. I wouldn’t roster him in my 20 team 15 man minor league roster league. He has basically zero upside.
I’m not trying to be a dick, but I don’t understand why I should give a shit about Johnson’s [or anyone else’s] league. I see 1000 words about how & why some obscure deal makes sense for someone else’s obscure team in an obscure league I don’t play in, but nothing to “offer instructional points for dynasty and keeper league owners.” This is Rotographs: if you’re not giving me a thesis about why a deal like this matters to me, and for my FBB strategy, save it for the ESPNor Yahoo comments sections.
I offered advice related to each of these trades and how our thought processes and goals can be applied to your league. Perhaps I could spell those out more clearly, but I expect my readers to be able to make at least some inferences.
Yeah, just read it again, for the third time… I see a lot of background on the deal, the league, the players involved, and a healthy dose of justification for the deal. Just don’t see where you even attempt to summarize any relevance for a move like this in any other league. Again, not trying to be a dick, I’ve seen much worse writing by well-regarded writers at much bigger web sites…but again, that’s not why I’m mining Rotographs. And as far as responsibility of the reader, yeah that goes without saying. But if your reader is telling you s/he’s looked & can’t find the substance in the article that is the basis for the readership to visit the website, maybe you point it out instead of telling him s/he didn’t look hard enough. And if you can’t point it out, maybe that’s something to work on.
Pompey deal:
Know what your rivals value
Know your time horizons
Use historical trade info
Archer deal:
Always consider the future in dynasty leagues
Travis deal:
Counter-example to Archer – cash in prospects for long-term assets with MLB success when you can