Brad Buys Vladito
The central premise of this article – that I am a bellwether on elite prospects – is rather egotistical. You’ve been warned.
Over the years, one of my most consistent pieces of advice can be boiled down to the following:”y’all crazy about prospects.” I stand by it. You – as in people who aren’t me – need to calm the *&^% down about your prospects.
As an asset class, prospects are big losers in most formats. The median prospect takes a year longer to reach the majors than originally anticipated. Then he struggles for some period of time – enough for his original owner to lose patience and discard him. Then he’s finally good for some other owner who didn’t go through all the growing pains. How many times has Byron Buxton changed hands in your dynasty league? Each time, it’s been for incrementally less, right?
Meanwhile, Max Muncy was free. I, and many of my colleagues told you for weeks to pick him up. If you prefer youthful types, Juan Soto was free. All you needed was a sharp eye. Untold others between the ages of Soto and Muncy broke out straight from the waiver wire. Several like Muncy and Luke Voit were even available in 20-team, 45-player roster deep dynasty.
Something weird happened yesterday. Despite my credentials as resident prospect naysayer, I traded the shirt off my back* for Vladimir Guerrero Jr. This represents possibly the first time I’ve paid full price for a premium prospect with zero major league experience.
*First, a quick aside. Experience has taught me that my rivals DO NOT appreciate it when I make a trade and immediately write about it in a column**. So we won’t be discussing the specifics of the deal. It was a blockbuster. I paid a lot. My rival gave a lot.
**A second aside. I get it. When I write about a trade, it often comes off as a critique of the other party. In my eyes, I’ve always won the trade. I accomplished some kind of goal. Just because I won doesn’t mean the other guy lost, but that can be easily overlooked. I’m not here to write about the other guy’s goals. I don’t really know about them.
I believe it was George Washington who, in the late 1920s, said something to the effect of “when the shoeshine boy gives you stock advice, it’s time to sell.” I must be a similar sort of bellwether when it comes to buying elite prospects. If I’m in on Vladito, then you no longer have any excuse to sit this one out.
Guerrero, by all accounts, is the most can’t-miss superstar since Mike Trout. Consider some age 19 minor league numbers for both players.
| PA | HR | BB% | K% | AVG | OBP | SLG | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Player A | 412 | 11 | 10.9 | 18.4 | .326 | .414 | .544 |
| Player B | 394 | 20 | 9.1 | 9.4 | .381 | .449 | .630 |
I stripped out the names so you can thoughtfully ponder the pair for a moment. Obviously, Player A was Trout. The 33 steals would have been a give away. As a pure hitter, Vladito has put Trout-the-Prospect to shame. Other prospects have done this without experiencing much major league success. Notably, age 19 Buxton hit 12 home runs, stolen 55 bases, and slashed something like .335/.424/.520 between two Single-A levels. He’s managed just 4.6 WAR in 1,074 plate appearances.
With Buxton, the warning signs could be found in his heinous over-20 percent swinging strike rate. There were contact issues masked by extreme athleticism and weaker minor league pitching. Guerrero posted only a 7.2 percent swinging strike rate upon a late-season promotion to Triple-A. Compared to Buxton’s age 19 campaign, Vladito succeeded against massively better pitching – both because he reached the upper minors and Triple-A pitchers have improved to the point where they loosely approximate slightly below average MLB regulars circa 2013.
If there’s a “flaw” in Guerrero’s profile, it’s that he features something of a classic batted ball profile. He can work the ball to both field and doesn’t sell out for fly balls. Instead, he simply barrels the ball, letting the pitch dictate where it goes. His approach, mixed with precocious plate discipline (especially for a Guerrero), should parlay to a high BABIP. With it, expect a high batting average and on base percentage. Unfortunately, he’s probably an adjustment away from the ludicrous home run totals everybody expects.
In looking at batted ball comps, Paul Goldschmidt’s 2018 campaign stood out as a close fit. Goldy featured a 25 percent line drive rate with slightly more grounders than fly balls. His 46.2 percent hard contact rate was among the best in the league. It’s not ludicrous to think Vladito could enter the league as a 20-year-old and immediate produce like a rough-edged, less patient Goldschmidt. As such, we’re looking for big counting stats and valuable rate stats.
Barring injury, it’s hard to see a downside for Guerrero. Not only was he unchallenged in the upper minors, he actually improved throughout his climb up the ladder. In many ways, his minor league experience looked like a better Juan Soto.
You were already excited. Now you have no excuse to not invest.
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Oh man, I hope you left yourself enough assets to be able to go out and acquire generational, inter-galactic super prospect Wander Javier next.
Please leave
I know you’re getting downvoted every time, but I for one admire your commitment to the bit. Stay strong Dusty!
Thank you, Ryan DC. Wander Javier’s will is stronger than the doubt of these internet nobodies.
I chuckle every time. Keep up the good work. Don’t let the downvotes phase you!
How concerned should we be about his weight and how that may affect his career arc?
I don’t see any cause for concern. He’s not Prince Fielder. If he has to move down the spectrum to 1B, that no longer affects a player’s fantasy value.
Prince Fielder is a guy who had a pretty good career
But he also abruptly went from good to retired seemingly due to his weight issue.
Hey Brad, thanks for the work!
I myself have learned the hard way about falling in love with prospects in fantasy.
I don’t know if his weight was directly responsible (it may not have helped), but Prince Fielder had serious neck problems for a few years leading to his retirement. He had two spinal fusions and couldn’t find a doctor to clear him to play.
I don’t know if there is some hidden ‘real’ story, but neck injuries don’t seem to be weight-related?
They don’t? They seem VERY weight-related to me.
He’s actually not that big, it’s really just the Guerrero caboose that makes you assume he is big all over.
I keep reading: Brad buys a burrito.
Vladito may have had an amazing minor league 19-year old season, but he’ll never have the chance to beat Juan Soto’s historic age-19 season Major League slash line of .292/.406/.517, with 16.0 BB%/20.0 K% peripherals and 22 HRs in 494 PAs. I will be surely impressed (not surprised) if Vladito manages to beat those numbers at age 20.
2 questions:
1) What would you put his value at in Ottoneu (12-team, 5×5)?
2) In a keep-forever, OBP league, what range of player(s) plus Arenado would you give up to get him?
1. I anticipate he’ll produce about $25 in 2019. With Goldschmidt representing something like the 75th percentile in the future. So call him a $40 player for now?
2. Too many variables missing. If it’s 20 team, then something like Arenado and Blackmon. In 10 team, I’d say straight up is fair.
Thanks so much!
I went with my gut last year when we drafted (new league, so first draft) and got him at a then hefty price of $18. Costing me $20 to keep, so hopefully I’ll have him for at least this year and next before I have to reevaluate my team.
14 team. Simpler keep forever league with max rosters (30), but I set it up with offline farm teams that are currently 12 prospects deep. MLB draft every spring and MiLB drafts every spring and summer. So there’s a pretty good number of players owned and the fun of moving players, prospects, and picks. That evaluation is pretty much where I was at, but I wanted a professional opinion to make sure I didn’t over or under value what a fair ask was.
Well timed question. I just traded away long time stay on my team Arenado because I have Vlad coming up to take 3B. For this upcoming season I would say that Arenado still has more value than Vlad.
Soto’s minor league performance was better than Vlad’s. It’s difficult to compare directly bc they played at different levels and in different leagues (soto didn’t play much in AA or AAA for example). To compare directly, you have to take MLEs to convert all their stats to the same baseline. I took MLEs from Clay Davenport’s website (referred to as EQA). EQA is scaled to batting average, where 260 is a league average hitter and there are a similar amount of 300+ eqas to 300+ mlb hitters. These are peak EQA values, which Davenport uses to evaluate prospects. They apply ageing curves to EQA values.
Soto’s 19 year old minor league eqa (ignores his mlb performance) = 353
Soto’s 18 year old minor league eqa= 293
Soto’s 17 year old minor league eqa= 295
Vlad’s 19 year old minor league eqa = 323
Vlad’s 18 year old minor league eqa = 302
Vlad’s 17 year old minor league eqa = 293
In any case, both of these guys are generational talents, among the best 19 year olds in the modern era–if not the two best.
Soto calculations:
(32/156)*329+(64/156)*366+(60/156)*353=323
26/113)*261+(87/113)*302=293
(172/194)*294+(22/194)*302=295
Vlad calculations:
239/429)*331+(110/429)*339+(80/429)*275=323
91/543)*261+(172/543)*327+(280/543)*299=302
246/246)*293=293
http://www.claydavenport.com/ht/SOTO19981025A.shtml
http://www.claydavenport.com/ht/GUERRERO19990316A.shtml
I also know Brad is a sucker for contact and Vlad’s k rates are better than Soto’s.
Note using regular MLE rather than peak MLE doesn’t alter these findings… and small mistake above, Soto’s first calculation = 353, not 323.
How are Vlads communication skills with his teammates?
The link for Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is broken, linking instead to some retired guy named “Vladimir Guerrero.”
“His approach, mixed with precocious plate discipline (especially for a Guerrero)”
Vlad Sr. had lifetime 8.1% BB and 10.9% K rates in MLB.
Come on. Did you watch him play?